From Kat: The most wonderful thing about being the new agent at DGRW is inheriting a roster of talented, kind, and enormously inspiring actors. Marcus Anderson Jr. is one of these new people in my life that keeps me smiling from ear to ear. 

Marcus was one of the first names I learned at DGRW, so it seemed appropriate he should be the first of my new friends to be featured on The Obvious Path. His recurring role as Lil’ Guap on Power Book II: Ghost was the first we had back on set as television shows braved the pandemic. Before working his deal, I watched his performance from last season. Then, a recurring role on Lucifer and his series regular in the ABC pilot, Presence. And down the rabbit hole I went. I was sold. Marcus is out-of-this-world good. And that’s just his acting. Every interaction I have with Marcus lifts my day. You won’t find a more joyful, grounded, or kind person.

And, like most of our features, throughout his huge success- it hasn’t always been a straight line. He was raised as a nomadic military dependent, studied theatre while walking on to (or, I should stay ‘sprinting’ on to) the track and field team in college, and building his career on both coasts. His lessons range from building a full life outside of the business, using the camera as a vessel, and all of the things that keep him motivated. There isn’t much we couldn’t learn from Marcus, so we’ll let him take it from here.

Marcus Anderson Jr. Kind. Incredibly talented. A fan of Texas, but not from Texas. The first ever DGRW client to be on The Obvious Path!! Can you tell I’m excited?!  Marcus, would you introduce yourself to our readers with some “human facts”?

I’m honored to be first from the DGRW roster to be on T.O.P! I wish this blog existed when I first started out, it’s really insightful. Love what you and Peter have going here. Alright—I’m an actor from Sunderland, MD and I pursued my dream of acting in film and television shortly after graduating college. 

You received your Bachelor's of Arts in Multidisciplinary Studies from the University of Oklahoma and moved to LA to pursue acting. What made you get into the industry? Have you found any difference between being a New York actor and an LA actor?

I’ve always wanted to act since I was a kid, around 10 years old. Growing up during the 90’s was dope.  It was a great time for all these great shows, music, and just pop culture in general.  I remember seeing B-roll footage of Even Stevens-- or something on the Disney Channel-- and I saw how movies were made for the first time.  I thought it was the dopest shit I’ve ever seen.  

I attended this open call/scouting event when I was in the sixth grade after begging my dad and that was my first time getting up on stage and delivering a performance.  I really sucked though.  It was cool because I was able to get my first taste of the business.  I ended up up getting a callback from this talent manager, but because we moved around a lot from being in the military, I wasn’t able to follow through with it.  In high school, I played sports and it was the same situation in college.  It was tough being a student-athlete and a theatre major at the same time because both extracurriculars had conflicting schedules.  So I knew that my time to give acting a real shot would be after college.    

You've had an incredible career thus far including a series reg for an ABC pilot called Presence, numerous guest stars, and currently recurring on Power Book II: Ghost. What’s your favorite part about acting on camera? Can you talk to us about shooting during a pandemic? 

My favorite part about acting on camera is being a vessel.  Time seems stands still when you’re shooting a scene.  The atmosphere in the room changes.  Everyone’s locked in focused, ready to go and at the top of their game.  It’s a blessing every time I get to be on set.  

Being out of state in Maryland was definitely tough logistically, having to self quarantine two weeks before my shoot dates.  Other than that, it wasn’t too bad at all.  When we were shooting GHOST we had to get tested at least twice a day on set.  The whole production is trying to run as efficiently as possible so I knew that I had to be on my A-game.  Having to put on your face mask immediately after each take definitely sucked, but it just felt like another day on set. 

Looking back when you first entered the business, how would you have defined success? Has that definition changed at all since?

A great question.  It’s crazy because success is relative and I had a very superficial idea of success when I first started out.  I admit that much of it was my young naivete.  I thought success was all about finally arriving to your destination.  A Will Smith, marquee name career—boom.  That’s how I used to define success.  Now I define success based on this mission to become the best version of myself—not just in acting, but in all aspects of life.  When I’m feeling good spiritually, mentally, and physically I position myself to be in perfect alignment so that when opportunities present themselves, and I’m prepared for them, I set myself up for success. 

The Great Kendrick Lamar once said, “You know careers take off, just gotta be patient.”  One of my favorite albums, by the way.  If you know, you know.  Learning that careers are built over was huge for me.  I just focus on the doing the best work I can and being patient.  Success will come and it’s always on time.

If you could give a piece of advice to students graduating in hopes of a career in acting, what would that be?

Live a full life.  Travel.  Date.  Discover other passions because it will keep you well rounded and not desperate.  If you think you need therapy, go for it.  Be constantly prepared to perform under duress.  Auditions come in unannounced so just be ready to rise to the occasion when they do. If you’re not a good saver, start now because this business is riddled with rainy days.  That’s my two cents and some change. 

What’s the change in our business you hope to see coming out of this time of a racial reckoning and a global pandemic?

I could say a lot here but I’ll try to keep this short.  I’m really looking forward to watching all the dystopian and utopian content that will be hitting the air waves.  I predict a wave of content about artificial intelligence.  

I want to see more Black heroical figures.  I also want to see content that explores aspects of Black history that haven’t been covered before.  I think this country has long way to go as far as true racial reconciliation, so studying our past I think would be pretty cool to explore. 

We’ve used the metaphor of a mountain to be analogous to our career accomplishments, dreams, and changes. We feel a lot of our reader’s “climb” is on pause. Has your mountain ever changed? Is it changing now? What’s keeping you moving?

My mountain hasn’t changed, but I’ve had to adjust my route.  If I every find myself in a lull or “on pause” I recalibrate and focus on what I can control and do my best from there.  I used to worry about things I can’t control and that would just drive me crazy.  I’m also borderline psycho-competitive and I think that plays a big part of my ambition.  A lot of my motivation comes from my family, who support me constantly.  My mom, dad and brother are my rocks.  My faith is also my rock, I’m big believer in God.  Much love to God.  Success motivates me period.  I’m constantly trying to level up and secure the bag.

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Quaran-TV: YouTube algorithm binge

Quaran-reads: Backstage.com articles.

Exercise routine (if you are into that):  I lift weights at least 4 times a week.  I go out for a run around the track at least once a week too.  I foam roll then stretch at night before my shower.

Favorite food: Carne asada lunch special at any Mexican spot.  Mmm

Favorite character you’ve portrayed: Lil’ Guap

First memory performing:  Second grade talent show. Guitar solo.  Terrifying but I killed it.

Thing you have missed most since March?:  Being able to socialize normally and movie theaters.  

Most meaningful “no” you’ve ever received: Lol I can’t even choose one!!  

Religious, Spiritual, or Nah:  HABBAKKUK 2:3

I feel most at peace when _________: on Friday evenings. Beer in hand.  Steak on the grill.  UFC

Social Media Feelings: Love/hate relationship. Damnit I love it

Social Media Handles: @marcusanderson 

Anything you’d like to promote?: Catch me on Power Book II: Ghost every Sunday at 9pm/EST on Starz get the app!!

From Peter: York Walker is one of those human beings you meet and are perpetually astounded by their depth. We were in A Christmas Carol at Actors Theatre of Louisville in 2018 where York was playing a phenomenal Bob Crachit. Four weeks into the run, we were invited to a reading of York’s play Summer of ‘63. We all knew York was a writer; he had mentioned working on his play throughout rehearsal. But, y’all… We didn’t know York was a writer. That afternoon play reading remains one of the most joyful, surprising, emotional, and ephemeral experiences of my life.

Since late 2018, York has been on a meteoric ascension. In many ways, his success right now feels like a fulfillment of his destiny. His story is perfect, however, for The Obvious Path. Multiple cross country moves, giving up a “death grip on acting”, and finding the stories that matter most to him. He’s beyond multi-faceted, deserving of everything good coming in his life, and one of the most genuinely wonderful people in our business. Enjoy the wisdom, humor, and vision York Walker has given us.

We’ll give you the latest facts on York Walker. He’s an accomplished actor with an MFA from A.C.T. He’s performed at the Mark Taper Forum, California Shakespeare Theatre, Actors Theatre of Louisville, Two River Theatre and more. As a playwright, he was listed in Playbill.com’s Volume II of ‘Queer Black Playwrights to know and support’, and is currently a member of Lena Waithe’s Hillman Grad Mentorship Program. Those things have come together as York was recently named the Inaugural Recipient of the Colman Domingo Award, an award bestowed annually to a Black male or male-identifying multi-faceted theatre artist to provide support for the creation of new work. York, we’re humbled and thankful for your time with us. Is there anything you’d like to introduce to our readers about your background, your life outside of theatre, or your work? 

I think that it is important to state that I am a Beyoncé enthusiast. If you haven’t seen Black Is King yet on Disney + I highly suggest you watch immediately to receive your blessing.

With a B.A. in acting from Illinois State University, you began your career as an acting apprentice at Actors Theatre of Louisville. A year later, you went to get your MFA in Acting from the American Conservatory Theatre. Can you talk about the benefits or drawbacks of apprentice programs and elite MFA programs? How do you feel the time out in the “real world” before going back to school impacted your experience?

I would not be the artist I am today without the Actors Theatre Of Louisville Apprenticeship and ACT. The apprenticeship was an important step in my journey because it was one of the first moments when I realized that I could actually do this. I spent all of my time in college trying to prove to myself that I could be an actor. The apprenticeship was extremely competitive and to have the opportunity to work there helped me to realize that I could make my dream a reality. It also pushed me in ways I didn’t know I needed to be pushed. We had to create a short solo show and that was the first time I ever had to write my own script. It went really well and it planted the seeds that I could be a writer.

After Louisville, I moved to New York City. It was then that I realized I needed more training. I wasn’t auditioning much because I was trying to survive, but when I did audition it was rough. I felt like I didn’t have the skills I needed to succeed. So I decided to apply to grad school and ended up going to the American Conservatory Theatre.

ACT was great because it was three years dedicated to studying the craft. I didn’t have to worry about survival jobs or distractions. I could just focus on becoming a better actor. Since I had been out of undergrad for two years, I knew exactly what skills I needed to cultivate to be successful when I came back to New York. ACT gave me the tangible tools and experience on stage that I needed to take me to the next level. But most importantly, it gave me a network of other actors who became my best friends and collaborators. 

I read in a separate blog (which you can read here) that you started writing your first year of graduate school. What has that done for your path as an artist? What are the challenges or benefits of being a trained actor learning to write plays?

Writing has completely changed my life as an artist. I never thought I would be a writer. I was in the process of coming out in my first year of grad school. I was spending my days training to play other people honestly and truthfully while simultaneously denying my own truth. My first play Summer Of ’63 came out of needing to express all of that internal struggle. The best thing about writing as an actor is that you don’t have to wait for someone to give you an opportunity. Writing empowers you. You are in complete control of what happens on that page. There are stories that I want to see on stage and now I just write them myself. Being an actor has helped me immensely as a writer because I’ve spent a large portion of my life reading and interpreting other people’s words. As an actor, you can tell when the writing is good and when it’s not. You can tell when something doesn’t feel natural in your mouth or when the rhythm between characters is off. All of those skills are invaluable to me as a writer.

I remember a social media post you made about a year ago called “Lessons from the barber shop…” where you talked about how Black men can easily articulate how difficult it is to bear the weight of white oppression. In the midst of that, however, how quickly they can “drop an anvil of hate on their Black LGBTQ brothers and sisters.” So, in full, to be a Queer Black person is to rarely feel safe or comfortable in any space. How does your work provide hope or outlets for this lived experience?

Right before I went to Louisville, I saw Marcus, Or The Secret Of Sweet at Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago. I was sort of just starting to come to terms with the fact that I was gay and that I wasn’t going to be able to ignore it for much longer. As I watched that show, I saw a character that was dealing with the same issue. Tarell Alvin McCraney created a beautiful piece that ended up being one of the first times I saw myself on stage. It was a powerful moment because not only did that play let me know that I wasn’t alone, it gave me hope that when it was all said and done I would be ok. And that has sort of become one of my missions as a writer. Part of the issue is that often times Black and Black Queer people are footnotes in someone else’s story or left out of the narrative completely. I want to not only put us back into the narrative, but place us at the center of the story. We exist and our stories are just as valid, beautiful, complicated, and nuanced as anyone else’s. My hope is to tell these stories in a variety of genres so that Black and Black Queer people can see themselves and the truth of their experience reflected back to them. 

As the global pandemic forces a pause for theatrical spaces to hear the voices of BIPOC artists, see the continually murder of Black people, and acknowledge our complicity in structures of white supremacy, what is your greatest dream for the future of theatre?

My hope is that white theatre institutions take this opportunity to truly take a step back to assess whether or not they are anti-racist institutions. It’s not enough to have a Black play in February. It is not enough to have one person of color as an intern. It is not enough to just do what is socially acceptable and make a statement on social media while waiting for this to pass. This is the time for the American theatre to meet the moment and have some hard conversations. When theatre comes back it should be so different we hardly recognize it. That is the level of change that is necessary. 

We’ve used the metaphor of a mountain to be analogous to our career accomplishments, dreams, and changes. We feel a lot of our reader’s “climb” is on pause. Has your mountain ever changed? Is it changing now? What’s keeping you moving?

I feel like my mountain just did a full 8 count of Beyoncé choreography haha. In 2017 I moved to Los Angeles because something in my spirit said I needed to be there. My manager at the time was based there, so in my head I thought I must be about to book my series regular role. LA was some of the hardest years of my life. I didn’t book anything, I struggled to make ends meet, and lost my manager and agents within ten days of each other. One day my best friend Kemi took me out to pizza and I couldn’t figure out why nothing was working for me. And she told me that I was ignoring all of the writing opportunities that had come my way because I had decided that I was supposed to make it as an actor. I didn’t realize that my identity was wrapped up in being an actor, but life was telling me to invest in writing. So I decided to move back to New York to focus on writing. As soon as I made that decision, things opened up for me. I got offered two writing jobs before I even got on the plane to come back to New York. In the last year I’ve received more writing work than ever before. Commissions, awards, and job opportunities have presented themselves to me in ways I would have never imagined. It is a complete 180 from where I was before and I believe it’s because I finally trusted life was telling me. I think that writing was probably my calling all along and I had too much of a death grip on acting to see it. And that’s not to say I’ll never act again, but right now I’m so excited about the characters and worlds I’m creating on the page. 

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Broadway show: Fela!

First memory performing: Recreating Disney On Ice on roller skates in my basement.

TV favorites?: I May Destroy You, Watchmen, Ozark, Insecure

Podcasts you love: The Read, Death, Sex, and Money, 1619, Off Book, Screenwriter’s Rant Room

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Spiritual

NYC or LA?: Both! NYC for theatre and LA for film/tv writing

Most meaningful “no” that turned into something special: I applied to Juilliard’s Playwriting Program this year and didn’t get in, BUT if I had gotten it I wouldn’t be available for the projects I’m working on now.

Favorite memory in a theatre: Hearing an audience laugh at my writing for the first time.

In your shelter in place days… Out of pajamas before noon?: It is currently 12:34 PM and I am still in my pajamas. I’m at peace with this aspect of quarantine life.

Advice to your younger self: There is nothing wrong with you. You are and will be loved for exactly who you are.

Play you’re working on now: Covenant! It’s a period drama with horror elements based on the myth of Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil to attain his musical genius. 

Social media handles: Instagram/Twitter @issayorkchop

Anything you’d like to promote?: Covenant is getting workshop and public reading in October! I’ll post info on my social media once the dates are set. :)

Photo Credits:

1. Headshot

2. As You Like It playing Silivius at Chautauqua Theatre Company

3. One Night In Miami at the Denver Center For Performing Arts

4. Mae Whitman & York Walker in The Mystery of Love & Sex at Mark Taper Forum

From Peter: Before you ask; no. As close as our last names are, there's no relation. When we met Caitlin at Texas Shakespeare Festival nearly five years ago, however, she was so wonderful in every way; she simply had to have been a long lost sister.

Since that time, Caitlin completed her Master's in the UK at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art and acted all over the world. Recently, she's completed her first year as a professor of theatre studies at Emory University in Atlanta where Coronavirus canceled her directorial debut. Yet, we have much to learn from this actor, writer, teacher, and yogi extraordinaire. Reconnect, reassess, and lead with gratitude. It's always nice to have the guidance of family. Enjoy our long lost sister!

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I was looking forward to my writing and directorial debut of a site-specific show I was developing for Theater Emory (the producing extension of Emory University’s Theater Studies program, where I’m a first year professor). It was a piece I had written specifically for the student cast of 7 women, from concept and beginning of design interpretations it was about a year in the making. The opening night would have been April 2nd. I was also looking forward to seeing the scene work my acting students were beginning to develop! I had a wonderful group of students this semester and their ensemble energy was so lovely, I’m a big fan of all my students- but this group was extra special. 

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

I’m lucky to have a lot of somethings… going on long walks with my husband and dog (with the occasional evening cocktail) daily has really been a treat. Atlanta in spring time is beyond amazing so working in my yard and spending time getting my hands dirty has given me a lot of peace (and projects). Reconnecting with fellow theater artists has been immensely helpful on the days where i’m in a funk... fresh out of college I was part of an artist collective that used to produce work monthly and share it online and we have recently reconnected (8 of us spanning from Hawaii to Austria) and are creating work on a weekly basis on www.morningtomorning.net. 

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset? 

The Planet! I feel so much hope from learning about the environmental benefits of people staying in one place. I also hope people realize how much they have turned to the arts in these crazy times, and continue to show the support by showing up to theaters, concerts, and galleries when we’re able to again. Last but not least, I’m hopeful that we see/feel the benefits of slowing down… I am guilty of saying yes to most opportunities that come my way and it often results in an absolutely maddening schedule. This time has really allowed me to reassess my process and priorities. 

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time?

Just that now is an opportunity to show kindness, with each other and ourselves. As an actor there is this constant hustle voice in the back of my head and I have fully told it to shut up- that now is not a time to be perfecting my craft, or rock hard abs, or write that play- but instead I can turn up the volume on my voices of kindness, gratitude, and patience… which are so valuable and not often applauded in this industry. 

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: Apples and Peanut butter!

Home workout routine (you know, if you're into that): I used to be a yoga teacher, so it’s been fun reconnecting with friends and family teaching classes through zoom!

What are you watching: well, I got through tiger king at an alarming rate. So I’ve turned the corner and am watching The Watchmen on HBO.

What you are reading: The Overstory by Richard Powers

Yes or no… Out of pajamas before noon?: Out of pajamas and into yoga/gardening clothes!

From Peter: Cameron was one of my first “real life” industry friends. We met on Disney Cruise Line where, fun fact, Cameron took the lead on choreographing a cast-wide flash mob for me to propose to Kat. He holds a special place in our story.

Aside from that obvious bias, Cameron is that person in your cast that keeps you together. His spirit, humor, kindness, and talent provides the energy that keeps you focused on performing your best and having fun doing it. We knew he was destined for our industry's biggest things.

And that's what he and his equally wonderful boyfriend, Stephen, are doing. When you were both working on National Tours of the highest caliber, Stephen as Evan in Dear Evan Hansen and Cameron dancing on 0 in the ensemble of Aladdin, you're living the dreams of so many of us. But that comes along with extremely hard work, long distance communication, and a global pandemic to put it all in check. We talked to Stephen and Cameron while they were still on the road pre-Coronavirus, but they've graciously given us an update of what's going on now (Hint: it's a CUTE puppy). We're thankful for the wisdom from their incredible careers and even more thankful for their friendship.

Cameron and Stephen- Instagram’s most photogenic and talented couple! Can you introduce yourselves?

Cameron: I’m Cameron Hobbs. I’m originally from New Albany, IN and I was recently in the Ensemble/Babkak understudy on the National Tour of Aladdin 

Stephen: I’m Stephen Christopher Anthony, I’m from Miami, Florida. I play Evan in the Dear Evan Hansen National Tour.  

Stephen, you went to Florida State (so you’re a Seminole) and Cameron you went to Otterbein (so you’re an… otter?) Can you talk about how you found those schools and how they impacted your career? 

Cameron: Yes, I am a 2012 graduate of Otterbein University with a BFA in Musical Theatre with a Dance Minor! I found Otterbein, a small Liberal Arts college in Westerville, Ohio, through the help of my high school theater director, David Longest. His daughter, Claire, was three years older than me and attended Otterbein for Musical Theatre. I loved my time at the Bein! I don’t want to say I was untalented before I went to college, but let’s just say… I wasn’t great! They definitely helped shape me into the performer I am today. One of the many amazing things they offer for students, is their internship program. The second semester of your senior year, you are sent to New York City to work for a casting agency. As a casting intern, you get to sit in on auditions, dance calls, callbacks, production meetings, etc. It is not only a great tool to get acclimated to the do’s and don’ts of theater in New York City, but allows you to also familiarize yourself with the city of New York! Truly invaluable. 

Stephen: FSU’s MT program only admits about 10 students a year, so you’re getting a lot of individual attention, which is amazing. FSU also made me a forever-student. I’m almost two years into my work with Evan now and I will still (hopefully) surprise myself and learn something new onstage tonight. 

You both have these parallel interests that we now would call ‘special skills’. Cameron, you tumble and, Stephen, you play piano and guitar. What’s the balance of pursuing artistic interest and feeling pressure to fulfill ever-growing audition needs?

Cameron: I have been tumbling since a very young age, which I am grateful for. It is a special skill that has definitely helped my success. Because of that, I don’t think I felt the pressure to fulfill the ever-growing audition need, because tons of musicals love to have tumbling in them. BUT, check back with me in a few years when I’m too old to tumble and I have to find a new special skill. 

Stephen: It’s pretty wild, you can hardly go to an audition these days unless you’re an acrobat who plays five instruments. My advice: just do what makes you happy, and stay curious! If the thought of learning an instrument makes you absolutely miserable, then you don’t need that job. But it is important to find your own ways to feel stimulated and fulfilled outside of the theatre, that will only make your work better. 

Was there ever a moment where you felt like giving up? What did you do to get through that time?

Cameron: I think working in such a competitive field, I crave sustainability. So I’m not sure I ever thought about giving up, but I was once presented a job opportunity on the “other side of the table,” that I took. In 2015, I was offered a job as an office assistant for the producers of Beautiful: The Carole King Musical. At the time, I was between jobs and not sure of my next step, so I thought I would give it a year. I was extremely grateful for the job, but I missed the performing aspect of theatre. I have been fortunate to have been working pretty consistently as a performer since that time, but it was an eye-opening experience to see theatre from that angle and all that goes into producing a Broadway musical. 

Stephen: I had an injury during a show a few years ago that I was really scared to come back from. I actually started studying to go back to school! And of course that’s right around when my agents called with an audition for DEH. I think the lesson there was remembering I have value as a human that has nothing to do with singing a song or acting a scene. That freed me up to enjoy doing my work again. 

You’re both involved in iconic and long-running shows. Cameron, Coronavirus ended your time with Aladdin just shy of one year and, Stephen, you’ve been with DEH for nearly 2. What do you think you’ll remember most about being a part of your particular show?

Cameron: Being a Disney show, Aladdin already comes with an enormous amount of pride, but I think what I’ll remember most is being part of this giant family. After 6 years on Broadway and 5 companies world wide, Aladdin has employed hundreds and hundreds of people. Just like in theatre, everyone knows everyone in this family and it’s very cool to be a part of the legacy that is Aladdin. 

Stephen: I will never ever get over our audiences, our “fansens.” There is such a deep love and connection to this piece. It’s not often you get to be a part of something that feels so immediately impactful.

Other than 5 magical, or rather normal, weeks in Washington D.C., you've spent a good deal of your relationship long-distance. What’s the key to supporting your partner from afar?

Cameron: Being away from each other is not easy. Long distance is not easy. If your partner is sick or upset when you’re in the same city, you go grab them soup or lift their spirits with a date night. You can’t do that on the road. You got FaceTime. Haha! 

But, you have to listen with an open heart and communicate what it is you need in each exact moment. This is something that we have learned and are still learning everyday. TRANSPARENCY! At the end of the day, we want the same thing: to be happy and make the other one happy. 

Stephen: We understand that we’re both in the thick of a difficult thing— touring can be crazy and unpredictable at times. And when things get tough, we don’t have the benefit of sitting in the same room, which I think has actually helped us to grow. Since you can’t just give your partner a hug, all that you have is your words, and so our communication is stronger than ever. 

Where are you on your mountain?

Cameron: What a difficult question! I think my mountain is a cluster of mountains. Maybe 4 or 5 mountains all close together. And after I reach the top of one mountain, I start to set my sights on the next. Because, I don’t want to diminish the joy and pride I felt achieving the goals I had once set for myself, such as Disney Cruise Line and a 1st National Tour! But I achieved those and now I’m onto other peaks.  

Stephen: I’m just taking one day at a time and enjoying the hike!! 

How has corona changed your view of the business and/or your life?

Quarantine has made it super clear how badly we need and crave human interaction. In difficult times, I think art becomes more important than ever, both for its escapism and as a means for reflection. 

Personally, quarantine forced us to take care of ourselves  and our relationship without any outside distractions. Our relationship has changed drastically. We went from seeing each other for two days every couple months, to not being able to leave each other’s side for the foreseeable future.  It’s been a learning curve, but also a blessing. We also got a dog, August. He is perfect and difficult and a welcomed challenge. Our time has been filled with learning and teaching not only our dog, but ourselves.

Professionally, quarantine has also made us really appreciate our jobs and miss all of the stress and hard work that goes into the career and lives we have chosen. 

RAPID FIRE from Cameron:

Favorite Broadway show: Thoroughly Modern Millie 

Binge tv show: Law and Order: SVU and Golden Girls! 

First time on stage: 2nd grade as a “non-dancing” Lostboy in Peter Pan. 

On travel days, I pass the time by: EATING!

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Spiritual 

Who likes Domino’s more?: Cameron. Phillip. Hobbs. 

Former side hustles: Soulcycle and Photobooth operator. 

Any bad audition stories?: Do you have all day?!

What’s the thing you wish you would’ve learned earlier?: That you define your own success! 

Job you didn’t expect to book: Aladdin

Biggest beef with the business: Never knowing “what’s next?” 

Favorite thing about the business: The people! 

Anything you’d like to promote?: New puppy, August! 

Photo Credits:

Photo 3: Matthew Murphy

Photo 4: Deen van Meer 

From Peter: Scott held the dressing room station next to mine for nine beautiful and exhausting months on Disney Cruise Line. He has a smile to brighten the room, one of the best listening ears I’ve ever encountered, and a new angle to attack any problem. To this day, I am still impressed by Scott’s positivity, practicality, and ingenuity when it came to this career. 

In a world where most young artists convince themselves it’s “New York, LA, or Bust”, Scott has made his home in the Bay Area nearly all of his professional career. And it’s been an illustrious career at that. Whether getting his Equity card performing alongside James Monroe Iglehart in Big River, countless Silicon Valley industrials and commercials, or a twelve-year stint at San Francisco’s iconic Beach Blanket Babylon, Scott is daily proof you don’t have to be in the biggest markets to realize your dreams. 

We talked to Scott in the early part of this year before Coronavirus shut down the business. To aid the feature he had already completed, he graciously answered our Corona Coping questions as well. And, just as we expected, Scott is managing his business, attitude, and innovation way better than the average bear. If you’re interested in life outside of big markets, how to pursue goals outside of the theatre, or a good long breath of optimism and creativity: Scott’s your guy.

Scott- I met you as you played (were friends with?) the boy who never grew up. For our readers that never saw you fly (or wear tights!), can you introduce yourself?

My name is Scott Reardon, and I am born and raised in the San Francisco/Bay Area.  In the summer after 8th grade, a friend coeerced me into auditioning for a children’s production of Grease because they were in desparate need of boys.  I was always someone who enjoyed singing and was an extremely imaginative player, but I had never participated in any formal arts endeavor.  I ended up being cast as Teen Angel and Doody.  Needless to say, it was a blast and it was the beginning of my love/passion for all things entertainmnet.  My first job was actually for Nickelodeon/Paramount at their theme park, Great America.  I worked as a performer bringing the show “Slime Time” to a live audience and also bringing a Blue’s Clues experience/meet-and-greet to guests as Blue’s Friend Scott.  Along the road, I earned my Bachelor’s in Drama, Master’s in Education, Teaching Credential, and have performed across the country at regional theatres including: Tony Award Winning Utah Shakespeare Festival, Tony Award Winning TheatreWorks of Silicon Valley, Disney Cruise Line, Musical Theatre West, PCPA Theatrefest, Oregon Cabaret Theatre, Utah Festival Opera and Musical Theatre, San Francisco Symphony, and 12 years with Steve Silver’s Beach Blanket Babylon.  I have also appeared in spots for Visa, Samsung, Garmin, Dell, HP, LG, Logitech, United Airlines, LinkedIn, Oracle, etc.

What led you to UC Irvine? How did going to school there impact your career?

My college choice expreience was interesting.  I was a good student in High School with a 3.92 GPA and tons of extra-curriculars.  I shot for the moon when applying to about 12 different universities, knowing some were out of my reach be it financially or academically.  My acceptance/choice list narrowed down to three Univeristy of California schools, UC Berkely, UC Santa Barbara, UC Irvine.  Though UC Berkeley offered prestige, I knew I needed to move away from home (Bay Area) to have my own expriences and develop as an adult.  I visited UC Santa Barbara, and it just wasn’t a fit for me.  You had to participate in general classes for the first year and then audition for their Drama program in year 2.  Well, me being an extreme pragmatist, I didn’t want to hedge any bets.  What if I didn’t get in during year 2?  I would have just wasted so much time and energy.  Then I visited UC Irvine, and I kid you not, it was as if the heavens opened during my campus visit.  It was a campus that was beautiful, bustling, and there were so many offerings at the School of the Arts; you just had to take advantage.  I consistently says that attending UC Irvine was one of the best decisions of my life, and I believe it led me to where I am today.  UC Irvine required all drama majors to participate and take classes in every aspect of production.  You were not allowed to just “be a performer.”  I took lighting design, costume design, set design, shop construction, running crew (tech), and performed in my years there.  Their goal was to instill a love of theatre and a respect for everyone who has a hand in creating the finished product.  My education set me up for success around the country, where humble gratitude, understanding, and respect take you so much farther than platitudes of grandeur and ego.

You’ve worked in the LA market since graduating, but what led you to make your home base back in the Bay Area?

I moved to Los Angeles right after college.  I always had a feeling NYC wasn’t the right fit for me.  Don’t get me wrong, I love NYC, I just couldn’t live the hustle lifestyle day in and day out.  To this day I always say I will go to NYC if something takes me there.  Los Angeles was the mecca for entertainment.  I began extra work for TV Shows and Movies, and I used this as a crash course in understanding the Film/Television industry.  Though you can take classes/workshops, I truly feel there is no better education for on-camera work than actually being on-camera and in the environment.  I would always be aware of what was happening around me and the terms that were being used (two-shot, master, apple, martini, etc.).  I would study/examine Matthew Perry, Sarah Paulson, James Woods, and Kirsten Dunst, as I was standing feet from them while the cameras were rolling.  In the end, however, I was called away from Los Angeles for theatre opportunities time and time again.  I think out of the 9 years my belongings lived in Los Angeles, I was only physically present there for 2 years.  During my visit to family and friends in the Bay Area after a regional theatre contract, my UC Irvine pal told me they were having auditons while I was in town for a show she had been doing for several years and that I needed to go.  The show was Beach Blanket Babylon, a musical review that opened in 1974, and holds the world record for the longest running musical-review in the world.  I auditioned, got a swing/understudy contract, and decided to take it.  This led me to move back to the Bay Area for a beautiful, secure, and life-changing 12 year run with the show.

By the time this blog runs, you’ll have just closed Beach Blanket Babylon. Can you talk about the unique experience of being a part of such a historic and long running show?

I owe so much to my experience with Beach Blanket Babylon.  It opened in 1974 and we closed the show, after 45 years, on Decemeber 31, 2019.  My 12 years there were exciting, enfuriating, hilarious, exhausting, and I wouldn’t change a minute of it.  Though performers would come and go, many were there longer than I (some performers and technicians over 30 years).  The whole company was a family.  Through our 7-9 show weekly schedule, we witnessed births, deaths, marriages, divorces, and we were all there for each other.  Those personal relationships are the testament to my experience and joy we were able to bring over 6.5 million people.  In 90 minutes, our goal was to bring a smile and laughter to the 400 seat audience, offering them a zany and crazy escape from the world outside.  A beautiful thing about being a part of a long running show, especially how Beach Blanket Babylon operated, was it allowed me to have a life outside of the theatre.  I was not trapped inside a theatre all the time since we were a 90 minute show that performed only in the evenings.  I was able to pursue other passions, work, and understand myself outside of the theatre bubble.  The security of having a steady paycheck for 12 years as an actor also didn’t hurt.  I was able to take amazing trips and eventually buy a condo to truly set some roots.  We were also given some amazing opportunites: sing the national anthem at the SF Giants World Series Celebration, open for Jason Mraz and Bruno Mars at a private event, and provide a custom show for former Secretary of State George Schultz’s 90th birthdya party surrounded by hundreds of the nations most influential politicians and business leaders.  Beach Blanket Babylon was an institution, not just a show, and I am so sad the San Francisco landscape will now be without it.

Was there ever a moment where you felt like giving up on the career? If so, what did you do to get through that time?

I would love to know an actor who has not had those feelings of defeat and wanting to leave it all behind.  I have absolutely had those feelings, and I didn’t find them to stop even when I had security in performing.  There is always the thought of what is next, what do I have to do to keep working?  I found that when theatre encompassed my whole life, those feelings were stronger than ever.  When I stepped back and understood that I must be able to live life outside of the theatre, I was able to find the joy, passion, and love for performing I was losing.  This allowed my theatre to be so much more joyous and rewarding for me.  Another aspect that helped me get through these times is not caring.  I don’t mean this how it may sound.  Being involved in a lot of on-camera auditions, I began to go in with the acceptance of what I can bring to the audition/performance in that day and moment.  There are so many other decision makers behind the scenes.  You may do an absolutely incredible job, be the most talented, and yet you are 2 inches shorter than they need, or you remind the casting director of their ex-husband.  What I am trying to say is so much is out of our control as actors, and you have to learn to give that feeling/need of control up.  Trust that you are there because you have the talent, and if you don’t get this one, another one will come along.  Once I was able to have these feelings of acceptance, I actually found myself being more successful in bookings and opportunities.

What are the biggest benefits to an actor’s life in a small(er) market?

I love being a part of a market outside of NYC and LA.  I think it is extremely beneficial, and it is amazing to be in the hub of technology and witness the advancements that are occuring.  On a selfish note, it is easier to make yourself known and create relationships with casting directors, producers, directors, etc.  A smaller market also creates a smaller pool vying for jobs.  Don’t get me wrong, there are still 50 brown-hair, brown-eyed, all-american looking guys that are sent in to audition for the same spot, but there is a much different feel.  The SF market also forces you to have a life outside of performing because there can be extreme dry spells in the commercial/industrial offerings, or the regional theatres are only offering 2-3 Equity contracts per show, and you won’t be receiving one of them.  I, however, find that as a positive.  As I mentioned before, that sense brings more joy to the work when I do it, rather than feeling it is my only source of income/work.

What’s the most exciting work going on in the Bay Area?

Silicon Valley is by far the most exciting work in terms of on-camera.  Seeing where technology is going and creating commercials/industrials for new products and companies is incredible.  I recently did a shoot for early stages of Artificial Intelligence (AI) design to work in customer service related areas (Airport Check-In, Hotel Concierge).  These Silicon Valley companies, who are always moving the ball forward, are inventive and creative, and it is great to be a part of that community.  In terms of theatre, the Bay has been making a resurgance in its presence.  Several theatrical companies provide New Work Festivals in which they take a hands-on approach to fostering and developing new theatrical offerings.  The Tony Award Winning TheatreWorks of Silicon Valley produces a New Works Festival each year and chooses one work to receive a full-fledged production within their next season.  Several shows have had their world-premiere/pre-broadway tryouts in the Bay Area including Ain’t Too Proud, Memphis, and Wicked.  

Where are you on your mountain?

I am definitely not at the peak, and I don’t think I will ever reach that peak.  I think I will always look up to see that peak rising higher into the sky, pushing myself to reach and pursue more, not settle.  I am also one to walk through an open door that is providing me an opportunity for growth and success.  Walking through these open doors, or different trails up my mountain, has led me to my Mater’s in Education, working as an Educational Specialist for elementary students with disabilities, and again working behind the scenes as the production stage manager for several Bay Area Regional Theatres.  I am also performing several concert shows around the Bay in a cabaret style, focusing on music from movies, broadway, etc.  Though I anticipate returning to the stage in a book show sooner rather than later, I am taking some time to explore my other paths.

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Broadway show: Gypsy – My favorite overture of all time!

TV show you binge: Everything (I’m addicted!!!)

Podcasts you love: Not huge into podcasts, but I want to get into them…I will take suggestions!

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Non-Practicing Catholic (Love, Respect, Empathy, and Understanding go a long way)

Former side hustles: Owned my own Dog Walking business, “Scottie’s Dogs.” Personal Assistant to Agent and Reality TV show Producers.

Show that gave you your Equity card:  Big River at TheatreWorks of Silicon Valley.  I was Tom Sawyer and James Monroe Iglehart was Jim.

Secret to auditioning for commercials: Walk in and be you.  Give what you can give that day and know that is enough.

Any bad audition stories?:  Tons…like the time I had to restart my audition song 3 times because I was singing off-key (though I don’t think it was being played in the written key).  I got frustrated and on try three, I just kept singing until the end.  Pretty horrific.

Skill you think more actors should have: Business management.  We are our own business.  Do not rely on an agent, manager, etc.  Understand what to do to make you a success!

Ever tempted to move somewhere else?:  All the time!  California is expensive!  I am not opposed either, but a job would have to take me away.

Favorite audition song: “Larger Than Life” from My Favorite Year

Job you didn’t expect to book:  Disney Cruise Line.  I always dreamt of working for Disney and palying Peter Pan, but I thought my time had passed.  I had grown up, but Disney thought “Nah!  He still looks young!”  Truly grateful for that dream come true! (Tip: Wash your face and moisturize)

Biggest beef with the business: The cruelty that some believe goes with power/position.  You can still be kind and supportive even when saying no.

Social media handles?: IG: ScottMReardon

Anything you’d like to promote?:  Just living life!  Keep an eye out, you never know if you may see me on your screen!

CORONA COPING:

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I was in the midst of rehearsals as the Production Stage Manager of 9 to 5 when we had to cease rehearsals when the Bay Area Counties banded together to order a shelter-in-place.  As the weeks have progressed, my summer contracts have been cancelled and so have my cabaret concerts that were scheduled for around the Bay Area.

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

I am extremely lucky that I am still employed through my school district, teaching my Resource students through Distance Learning is something that has truly helped me through this whole ordeal.  Though it has been an extreme uphill climb trying to acclimate to teaching in this new style that no one was prepared for, it has provided me a sense of purpose and duty.  I am able to get up each morning knowing I have a task in front of me, a child who needs help, and something to accomplish that, thankfully, still provides me a paycheck in these trying times.  Another aspect to Distance Learning that has allowed me to find joy is translating my passion and abilities of on-camera to the classroom.  I film lessons, provide Zoom meetings, use my green screen, and anything else to help entice, intrigue, and make this whole process a little more exciting for me and the students.  (I attached a picture of my “new normal” dining room setup)

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

I think this time will be extremely valuable for reflection and a way for everyone to make sure they are where, and who, they want to be.  I hope we are all able to see how fortunate we have been with the options in our everyday life.  Now that we are out of our “norm,” I hope we can identify some of the simple things we have begun to take for granted, and when we are able to partake in those activities, no matter how trite, we relish in our ability to actually do them once more.  I also want everyone to understand the importance of the human connection.  It is extremely impressive, through our technological advancements, that we are able to see and hear people from thousands of miles away, but nothing can compare to the face-to-face interactions we have on an everyday basis.

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: Is Alcohol a snack?

Home workout routine (you know, if you're into that):  Oh yeah, I need to get on that!

What are you watching:  Where to start…Binging like a champ!

What you are reading:  “Hatchet” as I lead a Virtual Book Club for my students

Yes or no… Out of pajamas before noon?:  Business on Top, Pajamas on the Bottom!

Photo Credits:

Pic 1: Headshot by Allison Bluestein @ www.alyblueheadshots.com

Pic 2: King Louis in Beach Blanket Babylon - Photo Cred: Rick Markovich

Pic 3: Slime Time: The Live Show (my first job)

Pic 4: NYC Trip

Pic 5: Me and the Big Cheese

Pic 6: “New Normal” dining room setup!

Quick note from Kat: Imagine you're in a small cast with SJP and Matthew Broderick. It's the day before the first preview of your first Broadway show, and then... Broadway shuts down.

That's what's going on in the life of our friend, Eric. I've gotten to meet him a few times as the partner one of my clients and great friends. Every time, Eric has struck me as kind, humble, and presumably, extremely talented. In the face of something that would be devastating for most, Eric is remaining grateful and shifting his energy out to others. So get out of your PJ's and grab a slice of pie, Eric has a great perspective for coping with Coronavirus.

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I’m in the company of PLAZA SUITE at the Hudson Theatre, and we got news that Broadway was shutting down on the day before our first preview here in New York. The confusion leading up to and around the shutdown was wild, but I’m extraordinarily fortunate in that I got to perform with the show for a month in Boston, and everyone involved is trying to make sure that we do get the chance to perform here when it becomes possible again. I realize that so many people in our profession have lost similar opportunities due to COVID-19 and many productions have had to shut down completely, so I count myself extremely lucky.

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

I’m surrounded by really wonderful people in my apartment, which makes things a lot easier. We’re trying to make solid schedules to follow day to day, with things to look forward to like Pie Day Friday and Movie Night Saturday. We’ve also put in plenty of hours on Animal Crossing. Our island’s come a long way.

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

I hope that some of the positives to come out of this are that we see what sort of collective action we’re capable of as a country and as a planet. When it comes to climate change or the already pervasive inequality that’s being exacerbated by the virus fallout, we need to think as big as we can.

On a person to person level, even though we’re self-isolating, I hope we end up feeling more connected to each other than ever, and more galvanized to lift each other up. I think it’s impossible to pretend that this time is anything less than terribly sad, but I hope that’s a reason for people to open up their hearts rather than close them off.

Anything else you’d like our readers to know during this time?

It’s a wildly tough time where we have to take care of ourselves, but if you have the means and capability it’s a great time for us to look out for groups to support, like Feeding America and the National Alliance to End Homelessness.

Otherwise I’ll say: Baking is no joke. It’s super fun and satisfying. I know all your friends on social media are baking, give in to the peer pressure, make a nice pie for yourself.

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: Increasingly, pie.

Home workout routine (you know, if you’re into that): I try and keep a consistent running schedule.

What are you watching: Sex Education on Netflix is the absolute best.

What you are reading: Mostly short stories! Right now Jhumpa Lahiri.

Yes or no… Out of pajamas before noon?: Yes, yes, yes!! Otherwise I will feel…not good.

Quick Side Note from Kat: I met Andrew last year at his senior showcase here in NYC. He is an ACU alum with a heart of gold. Over the past year, Peter and I have been lucky enough to get to know Andrew over several coffee dates. We've bonded over our love for enneagram 4's, blogs, and creating good work. Andrew is talented, heartfelt, and such a light to be around, as his post will attest. Beaming with joy to introduce you to our friend, Andrew.

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I look forward to seeing my people at the William Esper Studio twice a week. There I get to be solely focused on the process of becoming an actor and not focused on what I am selling. It’s also a process that largely feels like it’s taking action on me, on my instrument and my heart, rather than the other way around, which I am craving right now. You get glimpses of not only your own growth but the growth of everyone around you- it fills your cup. It really is sacred time. It’s like going to the theatre twice a week and getting to play every time. I miss it so much.

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

Yoga. My boyfriend and my two roommates. Books. The calm app (thank you, Barry’s). VIPKid.

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

This is time where my body tells me what it needs. It’s dabbling into all the survivor modes I’ve learned and awakening trauma parts I’ve held. It is a wonderful and challenging time to point back to who now runs the show and who younger parts of me can trust. This is adult Andrew, I am 24 years old. The year is 2020. This does not mean I don’t ask for help. This just means I am not as helpless as I once was, I am stronger than I thought I could ever be already. This body is good and worthy. It was always enough.

I was also working a ton of hours at my survival jobs before the pandemic struck. I hope to find a way to balance more, so I can run full force towards that which brings me the most joy when we are released from social distancing.

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time?

I love Kat and Peter’s perspective on this time. I’d like to add that if many people over-using the word “opportunity” during this time is difficult to hear, you’re not alone.

Yes, time brings possibility. But I’m hesitant to equate developing artistry and following an artistic path to self-optimization, which “opportunity” so often implies. (And simultaneously, I completely struggle with not using this time to self-optimize. So this advice is mostly for me to hear.) This is global, societal trauma (perhaps little “t” trauma, but trauma nonetheless).

It’s understandable if all that happens some days, or as this goes on, some weeks, some periods, etc. is breathe, cry and find your footing beneath you. We don’t have all the answers, and remember that so much of the artistic process is about timing jogs and sprints... and REST. Routine is good. Movement is good. Grace and connecting to your uncompromisable worth are better than any of that. You will always be an artist, you have always been an artist. You will always have your creative spirit. Cancelled auditions, classes, performances, gigs can’t take that away from you. Go on amazon and get a copy of The Artist’s Way. ️

Quarantine Quickly:
Favorite snack: Peanut butter pretzels, carrots and hummus, cookie butter. (Also, my boyfriend bakes and I’m a loyal tester on all baking excursions)

Home workout routine: Built for the Stage (much love, Coach Joe!), YOGA WITH ADRIENE (my roommates and boyfriend and I are doing the 30 day challenge), Some social distance runs, and a handful of Barry’s IG Live classes to keep connected with the Barry’s fam

What are you watching: Just finished the Outsider on HBO, and it’s golden.

What are you reading: This is my favorite question. I am so excited to answer this question. I should answer the question now. Did I tell you I’m excited to answer this question? The new biography on Marlon Brando called The Contender. Trick Mirror by Jia Tolentino. Inspired by Rachel Held Evans. (Searching for Sunday was also a gem.) Know My Name by Chanel Miller. What are YOU reading??

Yes or no... out of pajamas before noon?: I absolutely must be out of pajamas before noon in order to stay sane.

Quick note from Peter: Jenna is a teacher, actor, and Founding Artist at Innovative Voice Studio in NYC. Once you wander into Jenna P’s voice lessons, as I’ve been extremely lucky to do this year, you’ll be struck with three things within minutes:

1. Jenna gets it. She’s a voice teacher actively involved in the auditioning and performing world, ready to work with your vocal issues in a practical, athletic, and invigorating way.

2. She’s, truly, one of those special impassioned teachers that have you feeling invincible. No one leads by example in a more inspiring way.

3. She looks A LOT like Kristen Bell.

COVID-19 has delayed her performances and drastically changed her day-to-day. Yet, to steal her pun, she’s been innovating and, as usual, seems to be one step ahead of the world. We found her piece calming, creative, grounded, and inspiring. You know… exactly how we always find her. Enjoy the wisdom of our friend, Jenna P.

For more on Jenna, check out her amazing blog here.

And Innovative Voice Studio’s website here.

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

Oh boy. I was really excited to bring my solo show, GET HAPPY!: An Evening Celebrating the World’s Greatest Entertainer, Judy Garland, to NYC this spring! Long story, making it short: I was asked to put together an hour-long Judy tribute for a theatre company’s gala last fall. I had a blast putting it together and it was super well received by the gala attendees, so I thought- why not bring it to NYC? I’ve spent much of my career thus far working in regional theatres across the country, and my friends and colleagues in NYC always ask, “When can I see you in something in the city!?” I was thrilled to have an opportunity to invite my local peeps to come see! Pre-covid, we were in rehearsals, finalizing the set list, hiring the band, tweaking the banter, and finishing arrangements to be ready for our May 6th show at The Green Room 42. Luckily, the show has been rescheduled to September 24th at 7pm, so if you’re reading this, mark your calendar! ☺ 

As a voice teacher, I’ve lost the daily transfer of creative energy that happens in my voice studio. Initially, I had to really mourn the hiatus of that physical energetic transaction as we moved our voice studio online full time. Now, I can say that I wake up every morning excited to discover even more benefits of online teaching (there are many!). Tim and I are having fun getting INNOVATIVE (seewhatIdidthere) with the ways in which we can continue to support our artists from the other side of the screen. So while I’ll miss some of the upcoming in person masterclasses and studio cabarets we had planned this spring, I’m thrilled about our new weekly virtual singing Happy Hour, our online BADassery masterclasses, and all of the other magic up our sleeves that Covid has encouraged us to create. 

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

“David after the dentist” (see https://youtu.be/txqiwrbYGrs). His anesthesia induced journey through the five stages of grief really sums up how I’ve felt throughout this. Thank you, David, where ever you are, for this joy producing gift. 

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

OOOOOHHHH!! JUICY QUESTION!!! Wow- there’s so much! After Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, I’ll never forget my friend Hunter saying to me, “Even the city that never sleeps is sometimes forced to take a nap.” Today feels like a similar situation: Our beloved city, our profession, our art form is being asked to take a nap. And we all know that naps are sometimes the reset we need to take us out of the temper tantrum we’re having and bring us back to reality, calm, and focus. I am excited for the new mediums in which we’ll share our art after this (for example all of the videos of regional productions that are now streaming, the virtual choirs, the celebrities singing in their basements (Patti Lupone I love you!!!), the FacebookLives of readings/labs/concerts, etc.). I am excited to re-examine the audition process after this (maybe this signals the end of hundreds of people waiting in crowded lines at 3am for open calls?!). This reset is providing our industry with the opportunity to change- to become even closer as a true community, even more committed to building a more inclusive and collaborative arena, and even more dedicated to the future of our beloved art form. 

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time?

My friend asked me how I was the other day, and I said this: I find myself feeling like sandpaper these days. Some days, I am the smooth side. I am going with the flow, I am focused, in the zone, and creating to the best of my ability given the beautiful constraints with which I have to work. I am a joy to accidentally rub up against because I feel shiny and nice to the touch. Other days, like today, I am the scratchy side. The gritty side who's frustrated and angry and just wants to be rubbed against wood incredibly vigorously so that my grit gets worn out faster and doesn't have to continue to march through the life of sometimes being of use (like when one comes across a hard edge) and sometimes being discarded and lost in the back of the utility closet.

My friend replied: After some time, even the scratchy side becomes smooth. Until then, stay scratchy. The scratchy makes the smooth feel even smoother. 

So, however you’re feeling right now, know that both scratchy and smooth moments are necessary and invited to the sandpaper party!

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: Chocolate chip cookies, hands down.

Home workout routine (you know, if you're into that): Thank you Peloton app for your free 90 days of work outs. Even without owning the bike, the workouts are crushing it. Also to all of my clients and friends teaching zoom classes, I APPRECIATE YOU!

What are you watching: Better Call Saul – if you loved Breaking Bad, highly recommend. 

What you are reading: The Art of Possibility

Yes or no… Out of pajamas before noon?: YES! BE A NEWSIE AND SEIZE THE DAY!

Note from Kat: I met Joanna at a Thanksgiving feast this past year in Louisville, KY while she and Peter worked on a production of A Christmas Carol at Actor's Theatre of Louisville. Joanna is one of those special people who you meet and feel like you've been friends for years. 

She's a superhuman and we're lucky to have her in our lives. A few words that come to my mind when thinking of Joanna: kind, humble, hilarious, talented, determined, change maker, and dream chaser. She continues to open my eyes to new things, is a wonderful friend, and is talented to boot. Her story is unique, insightful, and exactly the kind of story we love sharing here at The Obvious Path. 

Full Disclosure: We interviewed Joanna in early February before Coronavirus had made it's way into our lives. She was generous enough to tag on our "Corona Coping" questions, so you can hear how Covid-19 has affected her life. Below you will see her feature as is, along with Corona Coping questions at the end. Both are equally informative, inspiring, and heartfelt. Enjoy!

Joanna! You have such a great story, and we are so happy to get to feature you! Would you mind introducing yourself to our readers?

Thank you so much for having me! I’m Joanna Carpenter, an actor, singer, and aggressive multi-hyphenate. 

Your journey to NY is not the typical ‘majored in MT and showcased in NY’. Can you talk to us about how you found yourself in NYC, the parallel career you developed, and the decision to deeply pursue this career?

My trajectory has definitely been the antithesis of typical. We can get real real here, right? I’ll share the abbreviated version: toward the end of high school, I was groping in the dark on the whole applying for college thing; there was a huge lack of positive support and guidance in my life. I was on the receiving end of some truly fantastic athletic scholarships to schools I was very interested in, but they were always torpedoed by those closest to me...so I just ran out of options. When that happened, I decided to join the military, but that also got shut down by those closest to me right as I was about to sign my papers. I was left with no support, no path to follow, no clue how anything was supposed to work. So I left home, made some bad decisions, then I got my life together after a couple years. I moved to New York with no money or connections but an absolute desire to do what my gut told me to do - be an artist. Regarding my parallel career, I’ve been lucky to have achieved a nice amount of success in the cocktail industry. Like so many of us, when I got to New York I bartended to pay the bills; that led to studying wine and beer, which led to starting my own education service, which led to running the New York market for a craft distillery, which led to building and running my own bar for a year, etc. etc. etc. I’ve had some truly wonderful experiences across the globe, and I have carved out a place for myself that I’m proud of (I was in the New York Times recently, speaking with a writer about industry issues that I’m passionate about). However, in the fall of 2018, I had been sitting with several months of that uncomfortable discontent we experience when we aren’t truly listening to our truth; I was caught up in the bar world and working 90-hour weeks and was deeply unfulfilled in many ways. I went with a couple friends to see Songs for a New World at City Center, and when the lights came up at the end of the show I knew I needed to step back from hospitality and commit myself to the arts in a way I never had -fully and unapologetically. It was the largest of many signs that it was time to really focus on my career. 

What advice would you give actors coming to NY with no rep out of showcase/did not showcase in NY on how to find representation?

It is so, so important to be a good person before anything. Then, you have to prioritize surrounding yourself with other good people, develop faithful relationships, and remember that everyone knows everyone. I personally despise pay-to-play showcases, but I find they’ve been successful for many people who aren’t well-connected or have the street cred of a certain school or program to back up their resume. I lucked out with my representation - my connections to my agents were entirely referral/relationship- based, and the gift of those connections taught me a lot about how important relationships and working with integrity really are. 

From knowing you, I know part of your story is overcoming the feeling of shame at the beginning of your artistic journey. How do you think your unique path has strengthened your artistic voice? What would you say to those of us still struggling with shame in parts of our story?

Oy. Yeah. The shame monster and I are well-acquainted. Part of it stems from growing up being so constantly shamed by those who were supposed to love me unconditionally - that type of damaged upbringing sets the tone for your adulthood, until you choose to do the work to break the patterns. That said - there has been something so empowering and special about making the choice to invest in overcoming my shame about certain experiences. I decided to own the fact that I am not less-than because I didn’t go to college, or because I don’t have a certain pedigree, no matter what anyone else thinks. That emotional labor is intimidating - we all carry shame in some form. So we have to love ourselves enough to invest in the work to be proud of who we are, even if it can feel at times like we are not worthy of success. In the process of overcoming shame, I recommend giving your therapist a raise and choosing to see the benefit in dismantling the urge to punch your own sweet spirit in the proverbial face. 

How did you define success at the beginning of your career, compared to now?

I was such a damn spazz when I got started here that I don’t even know if I could itemize what success looked like. Just booking a show was enough, I think. Nowadays, though.... Success to me now is defined by my ability to imbue everything I do with my integrity, while demanding to bring my positivity and joy to a piece or a room, while also staying strong and grounded in my technique. Overall, I feel successful if I do not apologize for who I am or the space I take up while taking on the epic job that is making people feel and think. I bet Joanna from a decade ago wouldn’t recognize Joanna now. 

Where are you on your mountain?

Such a good question!. I don’t know if I have a specific spot - I think I am constantly on a climb, and I don’t know if I ever actually want to feel like I’m at the top. Because that probably means I’m about to die. 

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Broadway show: Come From Away

TV show you binge: Schitt’s Creek, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

Podcasts you love: The Long & The Short Of It, Pod Save America, The Ensemblist

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Very spiritual

Moment that made you fall in love with performing: Realizing I could make people laugh!

Former side hustles: Car sales. Liquor sales. PR. Bartending. Personal Assistant.

Biggest tip for auditioning?: It’s not about you. Be a good person, do good work, and tune out the bullshit.

Any bad audition stories?: I got literally laughed out of my first audition here - if anyone is that curious, they can ask me in person, otherwise I’m saving it for an inevitable appearance on Jimmy Fallon.

You fight?! Where do you train?: I train with a guy named Dylan Hintz, and his company Saga Action Arts. It’s all fight technique for the camera and is one of my favorite parts of life right now.

Job you didn’t expect to book: All of them!

Biggest beef with the business: Racism.

Favorite part about the business: Having the audacity to step onto a stage and tell an audience that they are safe with me and that I am the right person to make them think and feel.

Social media handles?: @thejoannac on Instagram

Anything you’d like to promote?: I rolled out a podcast recently that I’m quite proud of, called “Asking For A Friend”. I cover some pretty great topics (you know, casual stuff like imposter syndrome, self-care, racism...) with some wonderful guests. 

CORONA COPING

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19? In a general sense, I was sinking my teeth into some exciting auditions that would hopefully turn into bookings...so, the opportunity to make money. I also had to postpone a table read for a film I’m directing, and put my fight training on hold. 

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through? I really, REALLY believe in being of service. That’s my job as an artist. So everything I do right now is an attempt to be of service in some way - whether it’s through music, or making people laugh with my crazy Minnesota Brenda videos, or reaching out to friends and being fully emotionally present with and for them - I’m constantly asking how I can be of service. 

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset? We as an industry are going to have to reinvent the wheel. It’s already happening. Look at the work being done by AEA to get new streaming contracts out to theatres. People are teaching hundreds of people at a time via Zoom. Everything from the groundwork of production to the hiring of performers is being rewritten. Some of the changes will be bandaids, while other changes may be more permanent. Jen Waldman said to me recently that it’s time to demand better of producers, directors, casting directors, other creatives - I think now is the time to rewrite the hierarchy for the greater good. 

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time? You may have seen photos with the hashtag “Racism Is A Virus” floating around. The Asian community is experiencing violence in ways unheard of since the internment camps. Two children (2 and 6 years old) were STABBED in Texas recently, with the attacker screaming that they were spreading Covid-19, and this is just one of many instances. I’m not someone who is easily taken by surprise or frightened, but there is a different insidiousness to what is happening now. I would ask your readers to do a couple things: 1) reach out to your Asian friends and colleagues. Ask them how they’re doing, be prepared for uncomfortable answers, and ask them what you can do to help. 2) Do. Not. Be. Complacent. I’m disappointed by just how many non-Asian friends and colleagues I’m seeing who are sitting on their hands and not standing up for what is right for the literal safety of all of us. Have the uncomfortable conversations, and stand with us. 

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: baby carrots and ranch dressing

Home workout routine (you know, if you're into that): I alternate between boxing/kickboxing and core/strength exercises, usually bookended by yoga

What are you watching: SO MANY CAT VIDEOS

What you are reading: “War Queens: Extraordinary Women Who Ruled the Battlefield”.

Yes or no... Out of pajamas before noon?: Yes, even if it’s just to hop into workout clothes. My sanity is being preserved by the routine of coffee/shower/get dressed/be productive. 

Photo Credits:

1) Headshot by Lauren Toub

2) Photo cred: Ruthie Stephens 

3) Photo Cred: Jason Moody 

Quick note from Peter: Sometimes you work at Justin Timberlake’s Memphis Barbeque joint, Southern Hospitality, in New York City. Well, at least Evan and I did. My memories of Evan are her kind spirit, her utter humanity in every interaction, and her grit.

And all those qualities have served her well. A new location for her since our last shift at Southern Hospitality and lots of acting, writing, directing, and producing work to go along with the move. In the face of losing something meaningful in this crisis, she offers her wisdom, insight, and empathy.

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I booked my first speaking role in a major motion picture and the film was shut down 3 days before my shoot date. Not sure when it’ll resume filming.

What is something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

What’s getting me through is knowing we are all in this together. I touch base with my friends even if it’s just asking “Hi, you good?” I’ve been writing and working on some scripts I’ve had on the back burner.

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

I think there will be a lot of changes once we are all through this. It’s so odd, it feels so significant. I hope that there will be more kindness and patience with others. I’ve read where pollution has decreased, I wonder if it possible to re-evaluate a new strategy for that to continue. There’s got to be some good come out of all of this.

I’ve noticed a lot of posts on social media about how you should be spending your quarantine time and in my opinion that creates a lot of unnecessary pressure. Lots of workout challenges and creative challenges.

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time?

What if we just stopped telling people what to do and how to spend their time? Unless of course they feel they should partake in a challenge or need inspiration for things to do. If we could get to a place where we no longer judge ourselves or others on how we spend our time and what we do... and just sit for a minute and be a human without any pressure. Just for a moment. Maybe I’m wishful thinking. I am so thankful for our healthcare workers, delivery drivers, grocery store and pharmacy workers. All of the people that are essential keeping us afloat right now. They are heroes. 

But bottom line. You do you, whatever you feel like you’ve got to do. Day by day. This is all very bizarre and sad and scary but we are in it together. We will get through it. ️

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: I stocked up on gummy bears.

Home workout routine (you know, if you're into that): I try to do a little yoga or a workout from Beachbody on Demand everyday.

What are you watching: I’ve watched When Harry Met Sally about 4 times so far and The Private Life is Pippa Lee. And lots of Chopped episodes haha.

Quick note from Peter: I recently worked with Johann at Actor’s Theatre of Louisville as he portrayed the humble, earnest, and pure Bob Crachit. It’s a good look on him; he naturally has all of those qualities in spades.

From his perspective on productivity and humanity to his relation and empathy to our healthcare workers, Johann has great thoughts on living in the now and how we move forward. He lifted our spirits today and hope he does the same for you.

What were you looking forward to that you lost because of COVID-19?

I did not have a show coming up before COVID-19 hit, but I was really finding some momentum in the audition room. I was doing a better job of clearing the noise and making brave choices. Recently, I got down to the end for the lead in a musical when I had less than 24 hours to prepare 20 pages of sides. That felt like such a win! After a bunch of co-star auditions, I was looking forward to jumping into On-Camera class with Bob Krakower. I guess I lost some momentum and a learning opportunity, but I have been taking this time to simplify, show gratitude, and remember why this work is so important to me. 

What’s something (a thought, a family member, a hope, a piece of art, a meme, a song, ANYTHING) that is getting you through?

My mom is a hematologist and an oncologist at a hospital outside of New York City, and she just told me that about 50 out of the 90 beds in her hospital are filled with COVID-19 patients. It makes me so proud to see my mom doing such important work in a time of crisis. She is so brave and clearheaded. It astounds me. When I get frustrated at how much of our lives have been put on hold, talking to her makes me remember that there are so many good people in this world fighting to do the right thing for others. And that gives me hope.

What do you think has an opportunity to change as a result of this time to reset?

I think this time is going to help all of us see each other as human beings first and not as product making machines. Some people may exit this industry when they realize that they are in this for the wrong reasons or that there is something else that means more to them. That's not something to look down upon. That is something to celebrate! The artistic organizations that are going to thrive after this is all over will be those that put people before dollars, lead with empathy, and make their own rules. 

Anything else you'd like our readers to know during this time?

I want people to know that you're allowed to do nothing right now. And that you're allowed to feel lost. There is an abundance of content out there right now telling people how to feel and manage their time during this crisis, and it can be so exhausting. There is no right way. Doing your best means something different every day. We are going to be okay. 

Quarantine Quickly:

Favorite snack: Meat sauce in my InstantPot

Home workout routine: Lots of pushups on my yoga mat. 

What are you watching? Two words: TIGER. KING.

What are you reading? On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous by Ocean Vuong

Yes or no...Out of pajamas before noon: Yes! Doing my best to get up and showered by 10:30

Quick side note from Peter: A British man stormed into a reading I did, some 8-odd years ago, and won my heart with his acting ability, charisma, and thoughtfulness. Later I asked the person who had cast him in the reading where she met the British fellow, “Oh, he’s not British. He was just doing that for the part.” Chris was that committed and intelligent actor.

Two years ago, we found him on one of our favorite TV shows. And then, luckily enough, I ran into Chris this past year at an audition. He’s still as kind, caring, heartfelt, and wonderful as I remember- just sans the British accent. How cool to hear from an old friend who has a unique experience with a wife in the medical field. We hope you enjoy as much as we did!

From Chris:

“I have really enjoyed the work you all have been doing at the obvious path. It's such a humanizing effort in an often dehumanizing industry.  I am sure you probably have far more big deal artists responding but I would be open to talking about how our modern day plague has effected me. 

I have an interesting one foot in, one foot out thing going on. My wife, Carissa, is a clinical psychologist at New York Presbyterian so she not only has a job but she has been totally and completely slammed with work. She is essentially bearing the communal psychic weight of this catastrophe from the comforts of our home office. Meanwhile... I have been sleeping until noon and learning the guitar. Financially, we will feel a squeeze due to my lost income but we will be fine. 

Before this happened,  my teaching career had really started to take off. Between the dough I was making recurring on "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" and new teaching positions I was lucky enough to move full time into teaching acting.  After 7 years at my ridiculous day job, I was able to transition out last August. I was getting to teach the Meisner technique- sharing my love for the craft for semi- regular income and audition and pursue work that I was passionate about.   Covid-19 brought this to a halt. I was in the middle of teaching a conservatory to people from all over the world and it was ravaged. First the Italians left in the middle of the night, then the Irishman, then the Norwegian, and finally Zayle from Pennsylvania had to leave. Then everything closed up shop- no more classes. Anyway, I guess I am on the path to becoming a teaching artist. A crotchety Meisner teacher who gets to do his own work on TV and the stage where possible...or what I like to call a "New York Actor." The virus has certainly put this on hold.  On the bright side- I now know the C, D, and G chords- so that's pretty sweet.”

From Peter: It’s hard to forget the first time I met Patrick, standing in a cast circle before our first rehearsal of A Christmas Carol at Actor’s Theatre of Louisville. It came time for his introduction and he says, “I’m Patrick Steadman Taylor, I’m playing Young Ebenezer and I’m an actor with Tourette’s Syndrome.” *Cue thunderous applause*. You can tell they really love Patrick at ATL. It’s hard to not be swept up in his aura, his charisma, and his story.  

And, if I’m revealing the part of me that I don’t like, a part of me leapt to a conclusion and thought, “How does that work?” 

Ten minutes into rehearsal, though, you understand why Patrick is so loved. He’s the most positive person you’ll ever meet in your life, he’s beyond committed to the work, and shows up with love in every aspect of his life. He’s also extremely talented. He can switch from hilarious to heartfelt in a way that I can only liken to Mike Birbiglia. He’s a joy to watch and to be in a cast with. 

Now, maybe you’re like me and have never had the opportunity to work with a neurodiverse actor before. Maybe, also like me, a part of you read that Patrick has Tourette’s Syndrome and jumped to some conclusion about what that meant. And here’s the best part about Patrick: 

He runs into that. He gave up two hours of his time to record our following conversation, in which I ask him a lot of invasive, personal, and, likely, very ignorant questions. He answered every one with love, grace, understanding, and an intimate vulnerability. It’s one of my best memories from my time in Louisville. 

I learned a lot about Tourette’s Syndrome from this interview, but I learned a lot more about how much wisdom and humanity one person can have. You’ll see him deftly switch from issues of college decisions, money, dreams, alcohol, body image, inclusion, empathy, and humor. There’s about eight topics we could spend an entire different feature on. So, with that knowledge, I’ll get out of his way. We hope you enjoy learning from Patrick as much as we did.

Patrick! Can you give us the reader’s digest version of your life before we get into the nitty gritty? (do people still say nitty gritty???)

I love “nitty gritty”. But… I’ve never read Reader’s Digest. Is that just a blurb? (laughs) It was always in my mother’s bathroom… but I never read it. 

Anyway, I was born and raised in Miami, Florida. I moved from Miami to right outside Jacksonville in a small farm town called Middleburg, Florida when I was 14 to start high school. Which was HARD. To lose all your friends and, on top of that, I was PEAKING with Tourette’s Syndrome. You’re already the talk of the town because you’re new to the town, but now I’m the new kid who moves and makes noises?! It’s even worse. 

I did 4 years of high school. Then, I found this small intensive, conservatory called Florida School of the Arts in Palatka, Florida. I went there for 3 years, got an Associate in Science, don’t know why it’s called an Associate in Science, but it was with a focus on acting. Then, I transferred to Marshall University. I did SETC, found Marshall, went to Marshall for 3 more years because a lot of my credits didn’t transfer. I was in school for 6 years. Moved to New York. About 4 years into it, my wife, Jordan, got offered the Producing and Casting apprenticeship at Actor’s Theatre. We already knew about this place since college. I moved here with her, deferred my acceptance to the Atlantic Acting School in NY. So that was her year. Then we went back to New York and it was my year to do the Atlantic Acting School. Then, I got this apprenticeship and couldn’t pass it up- so it’s my year again? She’s an angel. 

I’m the youngest of 5. I have a half sister and then the other 3 are my cousins. I was adopted by my aunt and uncle, because my mother was unfit to take care of us since she was addicted to drugs. This is a little more than Reader’s Digest… I just love being super open about it.

No, please. Give us more than Reader’s Digest.

So, both my mother and I were both high on cocaine when I was born. She didn’t know she was pregnant with me… I was almost born in a toilet. I want to write a show about this one day. She thought she had to go to the bathroom. She moved to a waterbed, I was born in a waterbed and then I was airlifted to the hospital where I lived in an incubator for 3 months because I was three months premature. So that probably ties into the fact that I have Tourette’s Syndrome? (laughs) And multiple webbed toes. 

My birth mother died of heart failure when I was 10. I never lived with her. I visited her on the weekends. I call my aunt and my uncle ‘mom’ and ‘dad’ because I lived with them my whole life. My cousins I call my brothers and sisters because I grew up with them. They’re my brothers and sisters. 

I will always wonder if that experience with my mom ties into the fact I have Tourette’s. I’ve been told it’s hereditary. I’ve been told it’s not. I don’t know. I don’t know who my father is, my mother didn’t know. So I don’t know if he had Tourette’s Syndrome? This is no longer Reader’s Digest, this is a magazine… 

You received your BFA from Marshall University. What led you to go to school there? What was the most important part of your time there? 

To be 100% honest, it was a full scholarship. I could not pay for it. My parents could not pay for it. Interesting fact, I was considered a ward of the state of Florida because my mother had passed and my aunt was my legal guardian. So, in essence, the state owned me. So the state had to pay for my first 4 years of college. And we learned this, like, 2 weeks before I started at Florida School for the Arts. So Florida School of the Arts was free. After that, I was auditioning for all these schools after this… and we just didn’t know if we could pay for it.

Marshall was super into the fact that I had Tourette’s Syndrome. They were fascinated by it and offered me a full scholarship 3 days after I auditioned at SETC. I was just, like, “Cool. That’s the one.”

I learned a lot at Marshall. I also met my wife there, so that was the best. But, other than that, I was really self conscious. I lost 40 pounds my senior year of high school, so I was very much the “fat, funny friend”. And I hated that. But I always steered towards the funny parts in college. I would come into auditions with old characters or accent characters. A professor called me into her office and said “You’re really talented, but if you come to one of my auditions with a character monologue, I WILL NOT cast you in my next show. I want you to branch out and realize that you can be a leading man.” So I played three leading men while I was there. That gave me the confidence and reassurance I CAN play a leading man and a character actor. 

You are currently in the Professional Training Company at Actors Theatre of Louisville. How has this experience been so far? What has been the most impactful experience or lesson at the halfway point? 

We would come to ATL all the time in college. I fell in love with it a long time ago. And I auditioned 5 times for this program. I think it’s great. 

When I moved with Jordan, I really got insight of what this program was like. I knew I was going to be exhausted. I knew that I was probably going to crew some shows. And I knew I was going to meet people from all walks of theatre and foster some relationships. And that has all happened. I’m exhausted. I haven’t had more than 2 days off in 5 months. Which is great. I’m so grateful.

Something I didn’t realize would happen, is the amount of personal growth I’ve had and the amount of reflection time I’ve had. And the amount of realizations I’ve had just about my person, my self. 

5 days before I moved here, I was told I had a rare liver condition where it’s best that I don’t drink anymore. So I went from drinking a lot, to be honest, to drinking nothing. And the first month, two months I felt weird. Because I didn’t know what to do with my hands. I felt like I was missing out on social opportunities. That’s another big, huge, conversation about alcohol within the theatre scene. Which I don’t shame anyone for. But I would use it as a crutch. I’ve never felt more energized, which is ironic, because I’m so exhausted. But waking up is so much easier. I’ve noticed that I'm not quite as introverted as I thought I was, because of alcohol. I would never have classified myself as an alcoholic, but I definitely used alcohol as a buffering system to speak with people I was nervous to talk to. Whereas now, I’m just like “I got my soda water with an orange, so… Fuck it.”

I’ve learned what gives me energy, what takes it away. What shows I like to work on. What rehearsal room atmosphere I thrive in. Stuff like that I had no idea about. I’ve just had so much personal growth. 

Something you are intentionally open about is having Tourette's Syndrome (TS). Can you talk to us about performing as a neurodiverse actor and how, or if, that has affected your journey? What do you want others to know about TS or neurodiverse actors?

Okay… that’s a loaded one. But I love all of that and I’d love to chat about all of it.

I do want to talk about being intentionally open. That is something I grew into. Before Jordan did this apprenticeship two years ago, I was not open about it. I was scared as soon as I would tell someone before the audition, they would have some preconceived notion and I wouldn’t get hired. It took many conversations with Jordan and folks at ATL. My initial idea, which was maybe a bad minded thing, was using it as a tool to stand out in this sea of white men. Now, two years later, it’s not about that at all. Now, it’s just about unapologetically owning this thing I have because it’s not going anywhere. And it is very misunderstood.

People hear Tourette’s Syndrome and they think of Deuce Bigalow or True Life: I Have Tourette’s Syndrome. Every type of tic has a name. Coprolalia is the name for involuntary swearing or utterance of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks. (I don’t have that, which I’m thankful for, but if I did- I would learn to live with it.)

But people hear I have Tourette’s- so therefore, I must cuss a lot but I don’t. I do have Echolalia, which is repeating things… If I like the way someone says something, I’ll just repeat it. (laughs) Jordan thought I might get us in trouble when we moved to NYC, because I would repeat something I liked and it might make someone think I was making fun of them. 

To circle back, I decided to claim my TS and advocate for myself as an actor with Tourette’s Syndrome for many reasons. When I perform, it goes away. So a lot of times, I wanted to tell people at an audition. But I’d do my material, not have ticked, and then be like “By the way, I have Tourette’s Syndrome”. I didn’t know how to do it. Now, it’s on my website, it’s on my resume, and I made a personality reel where I address it so people can learn about it. Because it is so misunderstood. 

People think I shake because I have no control of my body. It’s just not the case. The case is my brain sends signals to another part of my brain. So, if you want a sip of coffee, your brain sends that signal and your body reacts. My body sends those things prematurely. It sends all these signals saying “You have to do this. And if you don’t do it, you’re going to feel really, really weird until you do it.” So, I can suppress my tics (he does so for about 20 seconds to show me), but after a certain amount of time- they’re going to explode. I always describe it as going to the bathroom. Like, you can hold it for as long as you want, but eventually, you have to go. If you hold it too long (laughs) you might pay some consequences, right? 

Now, I view it as an unapologetic way of saying “I have Tourette’s Syndrome. There are people in the world that have Tourette’s Syndrome. There are also other people in the world that have other neurological conditions that we should be empathetic and kind towards.” It’s a way to spread awareness so that when people go to the theatre... going to the theatre to see a show is a different experience for me than being on stage. A 5-hour Eugene O’Neill show like Long Day’s Journey Into Night? I could be in that show and not tic at all. If I watch it? It’s extremely uncomfortable. The people around me, more often than not, are just rude about it. I get a lot of people turning back with stares of “what is happening?”. That’s always kind of baffles me, because I’m usually with my wife or a person that knows me and is not concerned at all. Obviously, it’s habitual and something that’s normal to them because they don’t look worried. I understand there’s all kinds of theatre viewers, some want complete silence or complete darkness. I just can’t do that. And as a student of the theatre? Going to the theatre and seeing shows, observing shows is as important as it is to be in the show. I love it. It’s my favorite thing to do. But, more often than not, I just don’t go. Or I go and I leave halfway through, and then I’m depressed. And then, it’s just not worth it, because now I feel like shit about myself. 

I think, subconsciously, that’s another thing. I want people to know “performers can have stuff like this too. Actors have Tourette’s Syndrome and other neurological disorders.” 

And, I don’t know, I also paid for this ticket. I’ve never been so loud they can’t hear what’s happening. I’m white, I have a lot of privileges, but I don’t have financial privilege. So I buy this ticket as a present for myself or as a little master class to see my favorite actor. That’s one of the harder parts about it.

As far as helping or hindering me… I’m still on that path. I don’t think it’s a hindrance. I don’t think it’s set me back. I don’t think it’s propelled me either. I will say, the more I’ve started marketing myself as an actor with Tourette’s Syndrome, the idea of tokenization comes up for me. I don’t want to be tokenized. I don’t think I ever have been. But I don’t want to be cast because I have Tourette’s, I just want people to know I have so I can inform people throughout the process. I will say, if it does hinder my career path, if people don’t want to work with me because of that… I don’t want to work with them. Because, as we’ve said, it doesn’t do anything. It doesn’t affect my acting on stage, so it shouldn’t affect a decision on whether or not to cast me.

You were also a Teaching Artist with the Blue Laces Theatre Company. For our readers, this is a company that devises immersive theater experiences for individuals with developmental differences. What’s the most important part about this work?

I found Blue Laces on Playbill to be a devising member of their theatre company. They devise shows specifically for people who are differently abled and on the spectrum of autism. Anyone can go to their shows, but they are sensory friendly in the way they create sensory experiences that the audience can walk through the experience. The audience can stop, touch, feel, and smell as the experience is happening. The actors know that, so we can elaborate if audience members are lingering at a particular moment. It’s an immersive experience allowing people that might get overstimulated or scared in a proscenium setting into an actual world of a show. 

It was one of the coolest auditions I’ve ever been to. We had to make sensory experiences of our favorite summer feelings and they had all of these props, essential oils, whatever. It was such an inviting room. So, I also taught as well- I’d go to schools with kids of different learning abilities and do a show called “Suds”. It’s all about laundry. They reach in and get a sock, wash it, they feel the softness, the suds, put them in the “dryer”. They had so much fun. It’s such an amazing thing to be a part of people experiencing theatre in that way and not just watching it. 

They do shows. They teach. They’re awesome. Look them up.

You will showcase at the end of your time at ATL. How do you deal with the pressures of showcase and figuring out what the next steps are?

I’d like to say that I’m not nervous or that “it’s going to be fine”. But those feelings do arise. I’d love to walk out of here with representation, but the reality is that I don’t know if that’s going to happen. An advantage of having a lot of friends that have done this program and my wife who has done this program is that I’ve seen how much people grow during this program. I am fully aware that if I leave without representation it is, literally, not the end of the world. I have so much time. I’m only thirty years old, that’s right, I’m thirty. It’d be ideal to get representation, but yeah, I’ve grown so much as an artist, I’ve learned so much about myself, and I’ve grown more confident in my abilities as an artist. I feel confident submitting to things. 

I spent my first years in NYC living in my imposter syndrome. Something I said to someone when I got here was “I left my imposter syndrome at baggage claim.” It was silly, but I’m ready. I’ve been out of the market for 3 years, one spent here at ATL supporting Jordan, one at the Atlantic Acting School in the Professional Evening Conservatory- where I learned a new acting method, which was great, and this year I’m learning so much. That, in and of itself, I’ve had a mini-grad school experience. I’m ready to get back and audition, audition, audition. And just have fun, you know. That’s been another motto for me this year: Have fun.

Where are you on your mountain?

I’ve thought about this. Maybe you can help me with the verbiage. I’m not a hiker. I like to hike, but I don’t do enough to have all the metaphors…

I feel like I bought all my equipment to go on this mountain hike. I started the process and I had a little teeny setback where I had to camp out for the night, get more food, take a break, and reorganize my thoughts. But I’m ready to tear the tent back down, get all my stuff back on my back, and continue back up the mountain.

Maybe halfway? Maybe I’m at the halfway point. I feel more energized. I feel more positive about getting up there. I’m ready to just get back on the trail. 

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Broadway show: So that’s complicated. Ever or right now? I’ll give you both. Little Shop of Horrors I grew up watching and I didn’t realize it was a Broadway musical until I started doing theatre. That I’ve seen on Broadway? Ivo Van Hove’s The Crucible. I either talk to people who love it or hate it. I loved it. I thought the performances were great. I thought his approach was really cool. It was much more about the men fear mongering and not as much about the relationship with Abigail and John. 

Favorite stage experience outside of Broadway: I probably have a lot, but I saw this show called YOUARENOWHERE at 3-Legged Dog. There was this moment where the background falls and there’s an audience on the other side mirroring you. And you think it’s a mirror, but then you learn it’s actual people. It was just such a fun, cool, show that bent what a theatrical experience could be.

TV show you binge: Oh, Schitt’s Creek. I’ve watched every episode of Schitt’s Creek like 5 times.

Podcasts you love: I got really into Stuff You Should Know to fall asleep because of their monotone voices. But now I get so interested in it, I can’t fall asleep to it anymore. 

Any actors with Tourette’s Syndrome mainstream should know about?: Yes, Gardiner Comfort wrote a one person show called The Elephant in Every Room That I Enter. I think it’s a brilliant title. But it’s about his first time going to a Tourette’s Syndrome support group, which can be a scary thing for us, because tics can be contagious. So I don’t typically like watching things about Tourette’s because I’m scared I’ll get new tics. And getting a new tic is so weird. You start getting the urge, you do it, you hope it doesn’t stick, and finally, you just sort of accept it. And then, I don’t know, (laughs) I name it. It’s here now. But he’s great. He teaches master classes in New York. He came to a show my wife and I put on, we chatted, and it was wonderfully comforting hearing him in the audience. Other artists have it, too. It’s more common than we think. About 1 in 100 people have it. Like, Billie Eilish has a mild version of it. Dan Aykroyd was diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome. There’s lots of people that we don’t think about.

Any other obsessions?: I love plants. I have over 40 house plants. I have a lot of pathos. It’s a vining plant and they’re super easy to propagate. (laughs) I sound like such a NERD. From the first one I got in New York 6 years ago, I have, from that plant, maybe 7 around my house that I’ve propagated from that plant. 

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Nah. And, I mean, we can talk about that later off the record… But, (smiles) for now- nah.

Best part of being married to someone who’s on the business side of the arts: There’s balance. We both started on the acting side. Can I give you a pro and a con?

The pro is: Balance. I can have conversations with her about acting and she’ll come in with “Well, on the production or as a producer….” And I get to think “Oh, yes. Of course. My actor brain totally forgot about that. Thank you for the reminder.”

A con: I often make her job about me. Like, she knows a lot of people I would like to know. She is a producer, she is in casting. But it’s about her. I guess it’s not a con, I guess it’s a pro. We’re learning how to coexist in two different worlds while supporting each other and weaving our careers together. 

New works or Classics?: New works because they’re fun and experimental and it’s fun to put your own spin on that new thing. To investigate these new ideas. Classical work is something I want to get into, but don’t know a lot about. 

Food that feeds your soul: That feeds my soul??? I love sushi, but I don’t know that it feeds my soul. (laughs) That’s a HEAVY phrase.

Any bad audition stories?: I was freelancing with an agent maybe 3-4 years ago. I got this phone call after rehearsal one day that my agent had a co-star audition for an Amazon Original Series for me the next day at noon. I was SO excited. Every audition I had been on for them had been a commercial audition where you get the sides when you get there and then go. I get to the audition, there are tons of guys that look just like me. The CD asked me how I was, I made a joke, we LAUGHED. I was like “This is going GREAT”. She said “Wonderful. Whenever you’re ready…” I said “I just need the sides and I’m ready.” Her face fell. She had to go get me sides. There’s internal cuts, there’s “Casting” watermarked throughout the pages. This is the biggest audition I’ve ever been on. She leaves me with “That was really great for a cold read… I would call your agent and ask why you didn’t get these sides.” I went home and I CRIED.

I get inspired by: Acts of kindness. I get inspired by helping people. I’ve always been crafty- always wanting to make things with my hands. I was just making soap this afternoon with some of my friends. Just the act of making things with your hands, bonding in that way, getting to know people… All of that makes me want to keep going.

Favorite playwright: I love Branden Jacob-Jenkins. I saw the world premiere of Appropriate here at Actor’s Theatre. And I saw Everyman. I love him.

Stage or Screen: It’s changing! I grew up in theatre. I love it. I have all my training in it. I love the adrenaline it gives me. BUT, I want to do film. I want to learn more about it. I’m finding it fascinating with how little you have to do to convey something. Ideally, I’d love to learn more about tv/film and start doing more of that. 

Biggest beef with the business: I feel like people are getting a lot better about this but… Body images. I think life gave me a big sense of body dysmorphia, but I feel like the industry has contributed to that as well. Not feeling like I look like “that guy” is such a toxic feeling. I compare myself to actors all the time. If you’re a leading man, you have to be ripped and tall. To be a character actor you feel you need to be the exact opposite. Like I said, the industry is getting better about that. But it’s hard to shake those comparisons. Sometimes I look at my belly and just thank it. 

Social media handles?: @ptayloractor on insta and twitter. Website patricktayloractor.com

Anything you’d like to promote?: My wife and I started an event and we do it about once every two months. It started in college as students just practicing monologues. Then, it evolved into “What do you want to work on?” And we would host it in our backyard. It’s called “Hearts on the Wall”- we called it that because we had a graffiti heart spray-painted on a concrete wall in our backyard in college. We were like, “Throw your heart on the wall and see what sticks.” When we moved to New York, it evolved even further. We now have a residency at Dixon Place. It’s just an opportunity for artists of any medium, of any kind, to bring work that is “in progress”. To just experiment. To get initial feedback. To feel the vibe of the audience. There’s no formal talk-back, but people come up to you at the bar, you exchange social media handles and you just get a sense of what sticks ‘on the wall’. We’ve had musicians, playwrights, clowning pieces, poetry, drag queens, sketch comedy groups… Anything. You can learn more about it at jordan-bean.com/hotw

Photo Credits:

1. Feature Photo

2. Patrick and wife, Jordan Bean

3. Patrick with his pup, Chelsea

4. Patrick and Kala Ross in A Christmas Carol at The Actors Theatre of Louisville photo by Jonathan Roberts

From Kat: I had the pleasure of getting to know Alex while I was working at DDO Artists in the Voiceover department. He has one of those 'voices' that you can't forget. He then made the leap over into our commercial department right around the same time I switched divisions as well. I actually think Alex booked his first commercial audition, which is not surprising when you see this guy perform. If you saw Dave Malloy's Octet this past year, you know what I'm talking about. He's as kind as he is talented, and as joyful offstage as he is on. 

Getting to hear about Alex's journey was such a joy. He is honest, vulnerable, insightful and offers a surprising look at what it takes for talent, even if they're on Broadway, to get representation. He has a lot of gems of wisdom in here, so I'll let him take it from here.

Alex! One of my favorite clients EVER who had a bit of a hard time recognizing me after a show! (*Insert crying laughing face emoji here*) Can you please introduce yourself to our readers?

Hi, I’m Alex Gibson! I’m an actor, improvisor, and occasional writer. I’ve been in the city for a bit now and went to school at NYU. I was in Natasha Pierre and the Great Comet of 1812, SpongeBob SquarePants: The Broadway Musical, and this past summer I was in Octet at the Signature Theatre. Andddd that’s me!

You attended NYU and were in the inaugural class of the Tisch School of the Arts’ New Studio on Broadway. How did you end up there? Can you talk to us about how/if the program set you up for the career?

It was crazy being in the inaugural class because we became the guinea pigs for everything they were developing! In hindsight, it was one of the most amazing opportunities I could have had because they were so willing to try so many different things. We got an incredible amount amount of masterclasses and opportunities that I wouldn’t have had without the program. Something else that was amazing about this program was that they treated us seriously as actors and as individuals. It’s pretty groundbreaking when you are eighteen, in a new environment just trying to figure out where you fit in the mold, and then you find out that there is no mold! They didn’t want me to ‘fit’ any type of mold, and that was life changing. They gave me permission to be an actor first, and tell a unique and powerful story on my own. Very grateful for that program.

I actually did not showcase out of school. At that time, NYU didn’t have an official showcase, so we had various productions that industry folks would come to instead of a showcase.

We had the pleasure of seeing you perform in Octet at The Signature (so good y’all). What is it like to have a part written FOR you? Can you talk to us about that rehearsal process and what is was like harmonizing every night together? 

Ah! I love Octet. I am in love with Dave Malloy (Writer and Composer) and Annie Tippe (Director). They are both thoughtful and down to earth people, so getting to be in that environment was such a dream for what the creative process should be like. It was incredible on a number of reasons. One, being that Dave has a gift for writing for voices that are not his own and really delves into what those voices are. He wrote a real bass part! So many composers write for their own voice and what fits comfortably for them. So, to get to be in a show where I was singing in such a comfortable range for myself and at the same time, getting to be funny was such a gift. So many bass parts usually just feature a ‘basso profondo’ speaking voice, but in this show it was so freeing to be able to be both. 

There were two workshops, which I luckily got to be involved in those which was helpful to get to work on the music. The music is so incredibly dense and I definitely had some ‘brain melting out of my ears’ moments! But, he is such a smart writer, once I heard what the song was as a whole, it just clicked. I understood how it worked, and it just stuck. We had three weeks of rehearsals for the production, so we had to be so specific with working. We were incredibly lucky to have the Music Director, Or Matias, who is one of my favorite music directors to ever work with. He is a genius and would be able to dissect incredibly difficult music and pick out one little part that was off in the entire 8 staff sheet music. We owe so much of the quickness and accuracy to him. It was my first time working at the Signature too, which exceeded my expectations. They created such a great environment for everyone involved and it was such a beautiful space for the creative process to take place. It was really special. 

How did you find your current representation? (If my memory serves correct, you were in SpongeBob before you found your current rep right?) Can you talk us through that timeline if you don’t mind? We love agent/manager stories!

So... it's not immediately great for the hope aspect haha but here we go. I had gotten Spongebob out of an EPA and was actively looking for representation at that point. I was sending out postcards, going to "pay for plays" - you name it I did it. And nothing was quite working. So when I knew I was going on for Squidward I bought tickets and would offer agents free tickets to come see me perform. And even then I had a great deal of difficulty getting people to come. Which at the time felt crazy given how many times I had heard to just let people know when I was finally in something they could come see!  But ultimately, it's a good reminder to not beat yourself up - agents are just busy! They aren't going to be able to come to every random show they get invited to. I have to check myself on this all the time, but theater is - at it's best - about creating and perpetuating empathy, compassion, and imagination. It's surprising how frequently we forget that agents and other industry folks are people too! They have lives and busy schedules and all that.  We are all just people working together to try and make stuff happen.

This story does get better tho! I have a friend who was able to get me a meeting with reps who I auditioned for and then signed with. They are amazing and it happened to come at the perfect time where I really knew I needed an agent. I had been going it by myself for a bit but at that point I really needed someone to help me have the sometimes difficult conversations with casting offices and navigate some of the stuff that was coming my way. So it was a long journey but I'm incredibly happy with where I've ended up!

You are SUPER versatile and have been on Broadway, worked at some wonderful regional houses, performed in celebrity concerts, done voiceovers, commercials and have taken tons of classes at UCB. Looking back to your first year out of school, what is the most important thing you did that help set you up for success? If you could go back and change something from that first year, would you? If so, what would that be?

I had a moment of fierceness, that I try to remind myself that this actually happened…. but I did My Fair Lady at The Guthrie, and it was such an incredible experience. I loved working with this theatre and really wanted to try and go back whenever I could. I saw that they were doing A Midsummer Night's Dream, and I really wanted to be considered, but knew it was a long shot since they had really only seen me sing and dance for My Fair Lady. SO...I  reached out directly to the artistic director and explained that he had only really seen me sing and dance, but that I was trained in Shakespeare and asked for an audition. Turns out he gave me a shot, and I booked it! 

When looking back, that is sooo out of character for me, but I am really proud that I took that leap. Of course, I only recommend this when you are really right for something and your skill set fits perfectly. Confidence is at it’s best when it is the result of a cultivated sense of self and experience. 

If I could change one thing, it would be how I handled a tour I did in Japan during my first year out of school. I was so worried about what was next in my career and about what I was missing in NY. Looking back, I wish I could have chilled out and realized how cool it was that I was in Japan!

What’s been the biggest surprise of this industry? 

When looking back at the history of show business, I am constantly reminded that this has all happened before! It’s kind of freeing to think about. I think about this with just how quickly things happen in this industry. Amazing things and devastating things. Shows open and close. Shows sometimes go to Broadway and many times they don’t.  So, at the end of the day, its freeing to know that I’m not the first person to experience all of these things- good or bad. We have all had the rug pulled out from under us, and that’s comforting to know in those times.

Has there ever been a moment where you felt like giving up or that this career wasn’t for you? If so, what did you do to get through that time?

Constantly. All the time. BUT I think it’s healthy to engage with that lightly. Therapy. Therapy. Therapy. For me, I try and think about why I got into this in the first place and try and work out if those same reasons are still serving me or helping me in the way I thought they would. At this point, I feel very lucky that I get to make a living doing this and that I have a group of collaborators that I enjoy working with. At the same time having in the back of my head that this is my job and it doesn’t need to be something that makes or breaks my existence.

Where are you on your mountain?

Right now, I am in a rocky mountain spot! I think career wise, I feel excited and that I am getting to work with incredible collaborators and feel like I am moving in the right direction. Personally, I feel like I am in the midst of figuring out a lot of stuff that has been confusing and very complicated. So when you put them together, I think I am moving up, but all I can do right now is  focus on the little rocky parts right in front of me.

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Favorite Broadway show: Sunday in the Park With George

Three pieces of advice to 13 y/o Alex?: Start meditation and work on stress reduction, take ballet now, and you don’t need everyone to like you all the time to be worthy.

TV show you binge: Big Mouth

Podcasts you love: Las Culturistas (college buddies of mine!)

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?: Spiritual (ish)

Former side hustles: In college I graded papers in the computer science department.

Biggest tip for auditioning?: Wear something that you would feel cute in on a date!

Fav SpongeBob character?: SpongeBob...sorry if that is lame! 

Any bad audition stories?: omg all of them. So many. I used to have a habit of forgetting words, but I wouldn’t stop singing. So, one time I sang ‘You’re a Mean One Mr. Grinch’ which is all ‘seussisms’. So I forgot all the words and decided to start making up the lyrics. I ‘improv'ed’ the entire song. It was not okay. Shockingly, I did not book it!

Favorite audition song: Folsom Prison Blues, by Johnny Cash

What inspires you in 2-5 words?: Those before and yet to come.

Job you didn’t expect to book: SpongeBob

Biggest beef with the business: That so many theatres are dusty and moldy. So, if it’s an old theatre, you are sick all the time! It’s completely at odds with being able to perform well.

Social media handles?: @alexgibby on IG and Twitter

Anything you’d like to promote?: I’ll be doing The Unsinkable Molly Brown! Come see it!

From Peter: I met Nandita early last year as we worked on Chelsea Marcantel’s world premiere of Tiny Houses. 

Nandita taught me an infinite amount about the business, artistry, and life as we became dear friends over the subsequent 4 months. You can’t peg her as one thing. She began her career as a dancer on a national tour of the highest caliber, she’s still a tremendous actor, she’s written and starred in her own Off-Broadway play. She’s a committed political activist, a ferocious intellect, a foodie, and the best kind of person to have in your corner whether you need to celebrate or commiserate. 

She’ll give you lots of wisdom in her feature, but her are some of the things I got to learn from Nandita:

1. She puts in the work to manifest her goals. She had never played a lead or a romantic character, so she wrote a play where she played the romantic lead for her Off-Broadway playwriting debut. (You can learn more about that process for Nandita here) Since, she’s played numerous romantic characters, including Tiny Houses. If that weren't enough, the last time we hung out, Nandita said, "I want to do a British accent in a play this year!" She's currently playing Lucy Steele in Sense and Sensibility.

2. “You can either be happy when you’re not working or when you are working. But you can’t have both. I choose to be happy when I’m working.” Me too, Nandita.

3. I’m paraphrasing her brilliance on this last one, but… Nandita doesn’t love the phrase “[So-and-so] deserves it'' when speaking about someone experiencing a big success. Because the reality is, so many people “deserve it”. Most industry folks are working hard, being brave, and persevering through intense rejection. Don’t we all “deserve it”? Therefore, we should do the work knowing our efforts might not be recognized, but that doesn’t make our work any less deserving.

The truth of the matter is, however, as her friend and as her fan; when good things happen to Nandita? She deserves it.

Nandita, you are someone who has found success in so many facets of our industry and we’re THRILLED to have you fill our readers in on your path. Would you introduce yourself to our readers?

I’m an actor-playwright whose path has had many twists and turns along the way.  I grew up in Buffalo, NY where I studied dance from age 6 on. At my first dance recital. I discovered how much I loved being on stage!  I also came to New York for the first time at age 10 for a dance competition, and the minute I stepped off the Carey bus onto the sidewalk, I knew that New York was where I would live.  It felt like home. I deliberately chose to go to college outside of New York because I wanted to have a different experience from what I knew would be my adult life. I started in the business after college as a chorus dancer and then slowly made the transition to acting.  From there I started to write plays, and sometimes I write plays that have parts for myself in them. I’m lucky that I have had a few of my plays produced, including one Off-Broadway that I got to star in!

You, like most successful actors, got an English Lit degree from Yale (insert wink emoji here). Can you talk about the decision to not major in theatre and how that might have benefited you later in your career?

This was an easy decision for me because I had no idea I would want to work in the theater when I started college!  I had a deep love for literature and pursued that. The theater bug did not bite me until after I graduated. That said, I am grateful for my English degree because it gave me a sense of security.  Many people would not feel comforted by having a degree in something other than one’s life’s work, even though it could be said that my love of theater is a natural outgrowth from literature, but for me, I always felt like I had something else.  I think it made me feel that my entire identity was not in my career, and that has been a healthy outlook for me.

It’s one thing to be pigeon-holed in Musical Theatre, but an even more ambitious task for a dancer to be considered for acting roles. What were the steps you took to change the message of the work you wanted to do?

I did a lot of downtown theater!  The South Asian theater community was galvanizing right around the time I decided I wanted to act as well, and most of my early opportunities were as part of theater festivals created by and for South Asian artists.  I was lucky that I was developing as an actor at the same time that community was expanding and creating opportunities. I also stepped away from musical theater after a particularly bad experience for almost two years, and during that time, I really found myself as an actor.

Also, I had to find a new agent as I focused more on acting. I was freelancing with an agent when I was primarily a dancer, but she really did not see me as an actor.  A friend introduced me to their agent, and I auditioned for her solely as an actor. I think getting representation who saw me as I saw myself made a big difference in my career.  So I definitely had to re-introduce myself into the business in order to make the transition.  

What made you decide to put on the ‘playwright’ hat? What has that done for you personally and professionally?

As I pursued acting, I didn’t find an awful lot of roles for people who looked and sounded like me.  In particular, I rarely auditioned with my own American accent – I almost always auditioned with an Indian accent.  But I was interested in telling stories about people who were Americans that happened to be of Indian descent. One of my South Asian actor friends asked me why I didn't write a play since I had an English degree from Yale!  And a bell went off for me that was like “Yeah, I should do that!” So I did. I started with a short play that I wrote for my best friend and me to perform. We worked on it every few weeks, and when I felt like it was finished, I submitted it to some short play contests.  One, the Green Light One Act Festival, accepted my play and produced it in New York in the summer of 2007. I decided not to act in the play so that I could fully experience being a writer, and it was one of the most gratifying experiences of my career, particularly sitting in the audience and hearing people laugh at the jokes that I had written.  A member of the Ma-Yi Writers Lab attended one of the shows and suggested that I apply to that group for Asian American playwrights. I was fortunate to get in, and I credit the group with supporting me in writing my first full-length play.  

I think being a playwright has made me a better actor because I’m no longer entirely dependent on my acting career to provide me with a creative outlet.  I think it’s made me a better auditioner because I’m not so desperate in the room anymore. When I audition now, I think “I’d love a chance to do this, but if not, I can still be creative on my own,” and that has been really empowering for me.

While it can be exhausting to push two careers forward, it has also been nice to have one do well while the other is on a lull and vice versa.  And now as a writer, I never have an excuse not to be working on something!

Because you sit on the steering committee for the Asian American Performers Action Coalition, we would be remiss if we didn’t talk about diversity in our industry. Theatre considers itself a leader in inclusivity, an AAPAC ethnic diversity study released last year, however, (Find the link to the 2016/2017 report here) exposes how far we have to go. From your perspective, what are actionable steps creators can take to make work more diverse and inclusive?

Include more voices from a diversity of perspectives all over the theater.  It’s not enough simply to cast inclusively. Put together diverse creative teams and diverse administrations.   Look outside your traditional outlets for writers, directors, and designers as well as administrative staff, from the front of house to the top of the organization.  Also, thank your ethnic friends who help you when you are looking for actors of a particular ethnicity for a role because you don’t know that community. So many of my fellow actors of color wind up offering casting advice without any compensation or even recognition of the time and energy it takes to come up with a list of actors who fit a certain type.  We all do it because we want to help our communities, but it is work.

What has been the most difficult time in this career for you? Looking back, how has that shaped you to who you are now?

I was cut from the first round of “Bombay Dreams” auditions after being the only Indian woman I had ever seen at auditions for years.  It was a devastating experience that made me question my own talent as a dancer and a performer. But what it forced me to do was look at myself holistically as an artist and focus on the kind of art that was important to me.  I think it also pushed me to diversify my skills instead of putting all my eggs in the dancer basket. Looking back on the experience, I know it was a very rough time emotionally, but it ultimately forced me onto a different path which has ultimately been truly satisfying to me on many levels.

What’s something you wish you had done or wish you had known earlier?

I wish I had prioritized taking a vacation sooner in my life.  I was always afraid to take time away because I might miss an audition, but ultimately, I was burning myself out that way.  I recognize that it can be financially difficult to take time away, but it is really important to make time for yourself. Also getting out of the rat race every so often can give you a healthy perspective on the business.  Auditions will always be there, but it’s important to take care of yourself as a whole person.

Where are you on your mountain?

The middle somewhere?  Sometimes I wonder if this is as good as it gets, and then sometimes I think things are just getting started.  I have no idea, but I’m trying to enjoy all the scenic points!

RAPID FIRE!

Favorite Broadway show of all time: West Side Story

TV show that you love:  Blackish, The Last OG (and not just because I was on it for 1 minute), Schitts Creek

On my commute, I’m listening to _______:  I read the paper and Twitter on the subway.  I have a fear of listening to headphones because I think I won’t hear some really important announcement.  Of course, who can understand the announcements on the subway?

Any other obsessions?:  Politics?  

Social media is ________:  probably going to destroy our society

Religious, Spiritual, or nah?:  Spiritual

Any bad audition stories?:  There was the time I had an audition the day I flew home from a gig, and… The plane had no gate. Then the door got stuck.  Then my Lyft could not exit the parking garage of LaGuardia. I had to take all my luggage to the audition with me. I was wearing my rainboots because they didn’t fit in my luggage, and I felt embarrassed to open my suitcase in the casting office.  So I barely made it to my appointment, delirious and wearing rain boots with a giant suitcase. I did not book the job.

Job you didn’t expect to book:  Tiny Houses

Coolest or strangest moment on set:  When I realized a certain star was actually the person they portrayed on another show!

Biggest beef with the business:  Lack of diversity in the highest paying jobs.

No one is talking about the systematic weakening of unions by the current administration, but it’s a big deal because unions are what allow actors (and many other professions) to make a living wage and have a reasonable standard of living.

Social media handles? Or maybe the better phrasing would be: Any fake social media accounts?: Twitter is @NanditaShenoyNY, and I have an Instagram imposter who is not me but uses my photo and the handle @Nanditashenoy1955 like I know anything about 1955.

Anything you’d like to promote?: My newest play, Rage Play, is being developed by Flux Theatre Ensemble this spring. My current gig is a production of “Sense and Sensibility” at Virginia Stage.  I’m playing Lucy Steele and having a complete blast!

Photo Credits:

Headshot - Deborah Lopez

Candid - Dennis Corsi

Tiny Houses - Mikki Schaffner

Washer/Dryer - Isaiah Tannenbaum

From Peter: My first job out of undergrad was on Disney Cruise Line alongside Jacob’s Aladdin. Jacob kind of blew my mind from day one. He was committed, musical (he plays both piano and guitar), fit, a remarkably good dancer, generous, and funny. Jacob made that first contract remarkably easy. He traveled to Kat and I’s wedding after knowing us for less than a year. He was a person I hoped would be in my life for a long time.

And, luckily, he has been. You’ll get to hear Jacob take you on an unexpected journey of success, rehabbing an injury, quiet times, and, perhaps when he least expected it, a Broadway debut. Through it all, I admire how he looks for growth in himself and always ground himself with a myriad of healthy things, family most of all. He has a lot of wisdom, so we’ll pass it along to him.

Jacob, you are definitely a friend that makes us “Proud of [our] boy”. Could you introduce yourself to our readers?

Well, first of all, LOVE THE PUN. Second of all, that is incredibly kind of you, because I could GUSH back at how proud I am of both of you, Peter and Kat. I have always thought the world of the both of you, so to be asked to this in the first place is hella flattering. BUT! Hello, blog-iverse. I am Jacob Gutierrez, and I am currently in the (now long-running) Broadway show of Aladdin. Where I am in the ensemble every night, and I understudy Aladdin and Omar, both.

I grew up in Hays, KS, a small-western Kansas town, where theatre was kinda few and far between. I was a “sports kid” up until my sophomore year of high school, when I caught the “theatre bug.” It was kinda a two part-er: I first went to see the national tour of Wicked that fall with my choir, and at intermission—right after (now) Tony Award winner, Stephanie J. Block defied gravity—I walked into the lobby, looked at my mom, and said “I wanna do that.” About two months later, I did my first musical, Oliver! at my high school, where I played Fagin. And I was hooked. 

I went to Oklahoma City University and majored in musical theatre. After graduation, I moved to New York, and booked my first gig, Disney Cruise Line—which is where I met the irreplaceable Peter AND Kat—and have basically been in and out of the city since then. 

Oklahoma City University… Can you tell us how you ended up there and how it impacted your career?

I first heard of Oklahoma City University while at an audition for Music Theatre of Wichita, while I was in high school. While I was in the audition room, my mom was in the lobby, and was talking with another mother there, who happened to be the wife of the dean of the music school at OCU. After going home, I started looking it up, and found some big Broadway names, like Kristin Chenoweth and Kelli O’Hara, who both hailed OCU as their alma mater. 

I went on to do a summer music program there after 11th grade, and after meeting some of the faculty and experiencing the campus, I auditioned my senior year, received a great scholarship, and decided it was the best fit for me. The fact that it was a Bachelor of Music degree also really appealed to me, as I had always been a musician first. 

OCU connected me far better than I think I even know. While at OCU, I furthered my relationships with Music Theatre of Wichita, as they come to OCU every spring to audition students for their resident company. OCU also had a Spring Break Workshop in New York every spring, where we met Broadway coaches, directors, casting directors, choreographers. I attended every year while at college, and then upon arrival in New York City, I felt like I at least had a starting point to hit the ground running. Some of those very coaches have now become some of my dearest mentors in the business. 

You spent significant time on cruise ships, like a lot of performers do. Can you talk about pros and cons?

Oh yes, I can. I did three contracts with Disney Cruise Line. Cruise ships are one of the most alluring contracts out there and with good reason. Having booked it right out of school, it was the best opportunity for me to create a nest egg of cash in the bank. You are covered with room and board, and make a pretty decent salary, and if you are wise about it, it’s so easy to set aside a huge chunk of change—which is what I did. 

It also gave me a great escape from New York, to grow up a bit more. You learn the most while “on the job.” I learned what my limits are, how to maintain a healthy mind/body/spirit in the midst of work, and learned to say “no.”

(I’ll never forget when my parents and I were driving cross country for me to move into my first NY apartment, my mom asked me what I wanted to happen when I got to New York. My response was “I wanna book a job and leave for 9 months to a year.” And despite my mom’s subtle reaction of, “wait… WHY are we moving all your stuff there again?” she did support it, and that’s exactly what happened. And it was the biggest blessing ever.)

For me, the cruise ship was an incubator, of sorts. It was this isolated time I had where I began to really ask some tough questions of myself. And because I was so removed from it all (the business, family, land friends) it really made me ask a lot. I think what’s so beautiful about that, is that the questioning has never stopped. That was my first job out in the real world, and it spun this beautiful web of continually asking, seeking answers, reflecting, and taking time to grow. I began to really learn what my strengths were, and what people I found myself gravitating toward. 

But in that very vein, the isolation is the thing that can be the hardest, or a huge con. For me, a fair amount of isolation was good, but after a while, it wasn’t the right thing for me. I needed to be back in New York. I needed to be surrounded by people who knew me outside of that floating city. I needed to be able to call my dad or my brother on a random Tuesday at 3:17 PM to just talk, and not have to worry about the “all aboard” time and my home floating away. While on a ship, a big term that circulates is “ship goggles.” Aka, you start seeing the world through the lens of this ship you’re living on. It can be really easy to lose perspective. That, ultimately is how I knew my time on ships was at its end. 

Was there ever a moment where you felt like giving up? What did you do to get through that time?

I absolutely wanted to give up. I left my second Disney Cruise Line contract with a pretty terrible shoulder injury. I moved back to the city—in a sublet apartment with three guys who I didn’t know— and after a week there, had surgery on my shoulder. I spent that winter (and the following year) recovering from that horrendous shoulder surgery. I don’t think I ever cried as much as I did that first 6 months. 

It was a very odd feeling. It felt like everything I had worked for through college, and right out of school, was “taken.” I couldn’t audition, I couldn’t work out. Two huge things that I feel like my identity clung to for a long time: “Jacob is an actor, a very FIT actor.” So all of that was stripped away. Yet again, soul searching. Identity crisis.

I had some pretty incredible people guide me through that time, though. 1. I clung to my friendship community and their support, love, and laughter. 2. I had a voice teacher who really put me in my place about nine months after surgery. I was still in a lot of pain, and really down in the dumps about it, moping around, saying my career was “taken from me,” and he shook me out of it and told me to stop, “you are CREATING this. Just stop! Your career is still there.” It was one of the greatest lessons of my life. 3. The physical therapists I had here in New York completely changed my perspective on the human body and what it’s capable of. Especially the power of the mind, and what it tells us. Y’ALL, YOUR BRAIN IS SO POWERFUL. 4. And of course, my family, was there for me. The rocks in my life. I have the most supportive parents, siblings, and siblings-in-law. I’m halfway across the country from them, but a phone call had never felt so close, than it did during that time.

So in the end, a greater blessing came because of it. I am so much smarter now, both mentally and physically. I am more in tune with my body. I know how to take care of myself, and how to maintain 8 shows on Broadway a week. Very grateful. 

What is the most important thing you’ve done so far in your career?

Well, the achiever in me could say “I have bowed last on Broadway in a hit musical.” But that doesn’t necessarily ring as my truth. 

I think of the people. I think the impact I can have on people each day is the most important. Most notably, my company members at Aladdin. The stage managers I talk to, the crew members I laugh with, the castmates I relate to in so many ways. A simple shared laugh (and there is so much laughter) can go a long way to spread joy. What we do is a gift. 200+ people come together for 3 (or 7) hours a day to create magic for 1700 people in the audience. We bring our joys, our struggles, our strengths, our weaknesses—our very full lives—we bring it all together for that time, and make something incredible happen at the New Amsterdam Theatre. If you come to see the show, you will see a company of happy, loving people. And I firmly believe it is evidenced on our stage.

And to be frank, in the midst of it, I fail. A lot. I can get so caught up in my stresses, my frustrations, my insecurities, that my impact is stifled. But, at the end of the day, I chalk it up to being a human, and I learn from it. After all, I’m fortunate enough to come back again, tomorrow, and try again.

Looking back, is there anything you would change about your path? 

Oh man, change? Probably not. Because I think our paths are what makes us who we are. The good, the bad, the complex. But there will always be this small part of me that wonders what it would have been like to go to a huge state school, with a rockin’ basketball team, and I’d have bought season tickets in the student section to go to all the games at Allen Fieldhouse—wait, what?—Yes. Yes, I wonder what it would’ve been like to go to the University of Kansas. Rock Chalk Jayhawk. GO KU!

But I have a feeling my life would’ve been very different. (I’d be an engineer. Or a chiropractor. And live in Dallas. Ha.)

Are you at the top of your mountain?

No. I don’t think I’ll ever consider myself at the top of any mountain. Because 1. it’s incredibly lonely at the top and 2. I’m far too goal-oriented, future seeking, and a builder of my dreams. I think the moment I get complacent or stop challenging myself, that will be the day I’ll need to quit this business. Or, if I am ever at the top of a mountain, it just means that point is the bottom of the next mountain. Keep building.

I think I’ve achieved some success, sure, and I’m beyond grateful to have achieved that. But what is bizarre, is that even in the midst of this success, some days can still feel kinda low. Broadway does not equal happiness. I didn’t wake up the morning after my debut, and think to myself, “wow, life is complete! I’m good. Look at me.” Because the reality is, the next day, it’s a job; it’s normal. An incredible opportunity? Absolutely, but it’s only a fraction of life. Which is why I look inward and keep asking hard questions of myself. I dig deeper. I seek more answers about where I can find them. I keep dreaming. And I don’t settle. 

But I think that’s the beautiful, challenging, puzzle we call life. We’ll never have it figured out. Or all the answers. But it’s ok. It makes us more and more curious, and reliant on far more than just ourselves. And thank God for that.

RAPID FIRE:

Favorite Broadway show: The Light in the Piazza. (But currently running show, Freestyle Love Supreme… seriously, go see it.)

Favorite TV show: I’m such a bad TV watcher. Dexter is the only series I’ve ever watched all the way through. But I have been known to binge a little Great British Baking Show. And I’ll still go back and watch The Office, too. That show was comedy gold.

Any other obsessions?: before and afters of any kind, Panda Express, nachos, log cabin Instagram accounts.

Religious or nah?: I am. I think faith plays a huge journey in all of this, and also believe it is so incredibly unique to each person. I literally could not do what I do without my faith. I pray protection and blessing over myself every night as the curtain rises, and we’re off.

Former side hustles: Product specialist for the national Mercedes-Benz team, MD for musical theatre school for kiddos in NY, waiter in midtown east. 

Most stressful part of understudying on Broadway: The self-expectation to always give your 100% show, even if you’re thrown on last minute. Because the fact is, with doing 8 shows a week, some days, you just aren’t 100%, and that’s that. You can only do what you can do, and learn acceptance from that. But what’s hard, is that, because you don’t get to do it every day, you don’t get multiple chances a week to “go out there and ‘HaVe The BeSt sHoW eVeRr!’”

Any bad audition stories?: Oh gosh. YES. Which one? HAHA. I went through a time where I repeatedly (yes, on MULTIPLE occasions) entered audition rooms with my fly undone, unbeknownst to me. After singing, doing sides, sitting in a solid “manspread”—the whole shebang—with my fly GAPING open… I walked out, looked down, realized it, and just CACKLED laughing. ’Tis what it is. GIMME A CALLBACK!

Job you didn’t expect to book: Umm… Aladdin on Broadway. HA. I hadn’t auditioned for a musical for 6 months prior to the week I auditioned for Aladdin. I was burnt out. I let it go. In a sense, I let all the musical theatre world go. And then, I saw an ECC come up for it, and I went in. And during that same week, I auditioned for two other regional shows. The day I got the call for Aladdin, I got the call for Sky in a regional production of Mamma Mia, and Che in Evita.

Biggest beef with the business: When people don’t respect my time. In any capacity.

Social media handles: @jacobtgutierrez for both instagram and twitter. (do people still use twitter??)

Anything else you’d like to promote?:  Be hungry to grow. Challenge yourself to dig deeper, always. Ask more of yourself. Seek Seek Seek. Seek answers, insight, wisdom, peace. Reflect. Because the learning never stops. We are on this ever-constant path to keep refining ourselves. Cherish that. Embrace that. Be open to that. Because most times, the obvious path is not so obvious. 

From Kat: You can read about Peter and I’s scandalous coming together in my blog post. We’ve been married since 2013 and have a blast *trying* to navigate this industry together. I’ve seen Peter in a lot of career “ups” and a lot of career “downs”. Above all, I admire his determination, heart, and creativity as he waits for his “moment”. 

Peter! Introduce yourself:

I grew up in Amarillo, TX in a really amazing youth theatre program. I went to Abilene Christian University for my BFA in Musical Theatre because one woman from my hometown had gone there and “made it”. It was the only program I was brave enough to audition for and, luckily, got in. From there, I moved to NYC and pretty quickly got a job on Disney Cruise Line. Even after a short time, New York City was already wearing on me, so I was very thankful for two years working on DCL. Thinking that I might spend my life as a professor at a University, I then auditioned for grad school at URTAs. To my surprise, I got into several schools and chose to attend The Case Western Reserve University/Cleveland Play House MFA Acting Program. We decided to come back to NYC when I graduated in 2018. 

You talk a lot about your relationship with Musical Theatre. Want to share with our readers? 

Sure! I’m OBSESSED with Musical Theatre. It’s what I grew up on and still my favorite kind of show to watch. Coming to NYC, however, I was a 22-year-old bass/baritone and the industry was already starting to favor the young tenor. I remember going to auditions and I’d be going in the room after 35-year-old MEN. I felt very out of place, underqualified, and out of my element. 

I wanted to do plays and TV, but I didn’t have the skillset for it yet. That’s where grad school was very helpful for me. Now, I bill myself as an actor who sings, not the other way around. It’s made a huge difference in my life. Best of all, my grad program was three years long. I’m starting to not feel so out of place at those auditions for my Musical Theatre dream roles. 

Grad school! Talk about it!: 

First, grad school is not for everybody. Make sure you want to go back. Depending on the program you go to, it’s two to (more likely) three years of relatively intense training. Don’t disservice yourself or your classmates by going back on a whim. 

Grad school was great for me because: 

1) It helped me develop my artistic voice for the first time.

2) It made me a MUCH better actor. Primarily in regards to classical text. I believe, however, that if you can do Shakespeare well, other things become easier as well.

3) It gave me my Equity card and three substantial regional credits before coming back to NYC. My Rolodex of connections grew by about 400% and several of those connections have given me jobs post-graduation. 

4) I was PAID to go to grad school. My program was tuition-free, provided health insurance, and gave me a monthly stipend of $1,500 a month.

5) Even though my grad school is not one of the “triumvirates” (Yale, Juilliard, and NYU), I came back to NYC with FAR better representation. The doors for TV, film, and Broadway are now more open to be than they were before. 

What’s the most challenging part of trying to be an actor in NYC? 

It’s the problem I haven’t solved yet, but in my opinion, it’s keeping going through the dark times. And, yes, that is losing out on big jobs that would have changed my life. That always hurts. More so, however, it’s the times where NOTHING is happening. The lack of auditions can start to strain my belief it will happen for me one day and my fear gets the better of me. 

How do you prepare for the big auditions? 

It’s a common motto in our industry to treat the audition as the first day of rehearsal. I like that sentiment. Some days, the quality of the scene, the opportunity to read the full script and time to let the material sit in your brain really sets you up to do that. Those are the very best auditions. Other days, not so much. Bottom line, I’m ALWAYS memorized to the best of my ability and trying to focus on listening to the reader when I head in for my “rehearsal”. 

Also, I don’t know if this is useful to anyone else, but it really helped me to hear. In a theatre audition, they want to see if you’re good to work with. In a TV audition, they want to see that you’re the person they want to hire. Be open and flexible to change in the theatre rooms. When you get in the TV rooms, be more prepared to give a “final performance”. 

Looking back, what’s one thing you would change? 

Ehhh... several things, but they’re all in the same theme. I’ve struggled with doubting my personal abilities a lot. (I’m an enneagram 4 if there are any enneagram fans out there...) Those struggles kept me from auditioning for bigger schools, feeling that I didn’t belong in the business, and thinking that I couldn’t create my own work. If I could go back, I would have tried to conquer those fears earlier. Now, I know failing greatly is much better for me than knowing I didn’t even try. 

Of equal importance, I spent most of my life heavyset. A few agents told me I was “too fat” in my junior year of college. It was important for me to lose weight for health reasons, but I became obsessed with fitness. I was convinced my only value to the entertainment industry was looking ripped and, because of that belief, developed an eating disorder. It took me four years and a lot of pain to place less importance on my look. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.

Are you at the top of your mountain? 

I’m not! I’ve always longed to be on a national tour or Broadway. I’m still chasing that dream! 

RAPID FIRE! 

Favorite Broadway show: Am I, like, super basic if I say Les Miserables?

Favorite TV show: Billions

Podcasts: Revisionist History, Hidden Brain, The Long and the Short of it

Side hustles: Waiting tables, catering, doorman at a retail store with a revolving door (?!?!?), personal trainer

Still doing your side hustle?: Yes! Very few people are lucky enough to make their full living as an actor. Be prepared to work hard. Wait tables in college. Take a bartending class. Get a fitness certification. It will likely be a major part of your early years of trying to make it.

Favorite one-line audition you’ve had: “Careful. I’ll blow both our heads off.” I said “Careful. I’ll blow bloth our heads off”... And got a callback. This business makes no sense.

Bad audition stories: I went in 6 times in 4 months for the same tour right out of undergrad... I didn’t get the part.

Best part of being married to an agent: Occasionally I get to find out if a part I auditioned for was offered. Closure is so helpful!

Biggest beef with the business: Agents, managers, and casting directors that only attend showcases of the “big” schools.

Religious or nah: Yeah. I was raised, and still am, a Christian. Some days, especially at this point in history, that’s very hard to rationalize. Ultimately, however, I believe.

Job you didn’t expect to book: My first under 5 on TV was entirely in Polish... I don’t speak Polish.

Anything you’d like to promote: The Obvious Path... OBVIOUSLY. 

Interview by: Kat Hargrave